Homeowner kills Deputy in No-Knock

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You know I just had another thought.... How smart would it be for a criminal in the middle of the night to kick your door in and run in screaming "POLICE". It would probably freeze most people for long enough for the intruder to gain the advantage.

That trick comes and goes. If your crew makes a habit of impersonating police though, you usually move right to the top of of your local police force's shit list. Long term, it's a terrible strategy.

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You know I just had another thought.... How smart would it be for a criminal in the middle of the night to kick your door in and run in screaming "POLICE". It would probably freeze most people for long enough for the intruder to gain the advantage.

[Forever_frost]

Feeling much better, I see.

Being a sheep is tougher than calling this stuff out.

[bluecollar]

whew, he's back. I was getting a bit scared.

[SS Junk]

Feeling much better, I see.

[Forever_frost]

I have been politely asked to resume normally scheduled programming so Here. We. Go.

Any time someone decides it's a good idea to kick in a door, they should expect to be met with violence. There's not a single officer out there that, if another department got the address wrong and actually did this to them, would say "Oh hey man, it's cool, I understand." They would instinctively do what this man did which is defend his home.

Options for actually handling this without playing Billy Badass? Well since I get called out for thinking I know police tactics (you know, shooting pets, getting the wrong address, gunning down innocent homeowners who are watering their lawns), I'll use common sense.

If you have a warrant, you think he's a threat and you have all this fucking gear and time on your hands, sit and wait for him to leave the residence. YOu know, leave the place where the guns and drugs are? Yeah that. Make the arrest, enforce the warrant while you have the arrest and build your case for prosecution then. Congratulations, I just saved tax dollars on the fucking team training to execute this and the letter to the new widow because some asshole decided "Let's fucking Waco this bitch."

[Rick Modena]

Is frost playing an ironical role?

He's been Tali-whacked!

[Forever_frost]

Is frost playing an ironical role?

Not at all. I have been pointed out the error of my previous path and am seeking to better understand the needs of the men and women of law enforcement. In order to protect them from criminals, I am also for the removing of the posse comatatus act and providing access to full military backup in case they are fired upon. Criminals will think twice before executing one of these fine individuals or even raising a weapon against the community they live in if they are guaranteed a 40mm grenade launched through their window.

[Sean88gt]

Is frost playing an ironical role?

[Trip McNeely]

Frost blew a circuit!

[SS Junk]

Something wrong with you...

[Forever_frost]

Just like they should have done with Koresh- pick him up at the fucking grocery store. Make a stop and detain while his house is searched.

I'd think that would get into invasion of privacy laws?

The safety of the public and the officers in question trumps privacy laws. What good is privacy when you have a drug dealer living next door to you armed and dangerous? We have to balance personal rights with community safety.

[SS Junk]

There is considerable chance that the police department felt that the mixture of firearms and drugs rendered a very volatile situation that could be best handled during the night hours when the suspect was either asleep or distracted using maximum violence to deter any sort of armed response. Unfortunately their actions resulted in a casualty.

Just like they should have done with Koresh- pick him up at the fucking grocery store. Make a stop and detain while his house is searched.

Perhaps officers should be equipped with thermal cameras to view where the occupants are exactly, along with the numbers of said occupants to minimize danger to officers?

I'd think that would get into invasion of privacy laws?

[Forever_frost]

Seriously, this "new frost" is freaking me out.

In order to ensure the maximum safety of both the officers and the individual in question, thermal surveillance would make the most sense. You have an understanding of who is where and can see outlines of weapons if they are present. The grow lights in this instance would have been a very large flare that would have provided probable cause for a search warrant if the officers had only driven down the street looking through the camera for such thermal blooms.

Revenue made from enforcing current traffic laws could conceivably pay for several of these cameras and the officer's training on them. If funds fall short, simply divert more officers to traffic enforcement and discuss with the district attorney the possibility of utilizing plea bargains as further revenue generation to outfit all squad cars with cameras that can permit the SWAT units to 'see' what the officer's vehicle sees in real time.

[hustleman]

I believe you guys are saying the same thing Brent...by "above stated term" he is likely referring to the 5yr term that was stated previously.

That would be correct. BCOOP just loves to think I'm wrong.