Deputy takes cell phones and then lies on police report

[cyclonescott]

Why even ask the passenger for ID? They are not the one driving. They didn’t commit the infraction. So as you have stated you know they don’t need to provide it. Why violate their fourth amendment right?

[Tannerm]

Only violating if I force them to give it... Geez lighten up. If I Ask and they refuse, then they refuse.

[Chili]

Only violating if I force them to give it... Geez lighten up. If I Ask and they refuse, then they refuse.

Unfortunately, that is not always the case. Still don't like the premise. IMO that's like a car dealer adding a bunch of BS charges on a retail contract, then saying "well you didn't question them before you signed, so too bad".

Too many people are already intimidated / nervous during a stop, and afraid of questioning a cops actions. To me, fishing for consent is capitalizing on that, and an ethical issue, IMO.

And yeah, yeah, I know, they should know their rights and have no reason to be nervous when in that situation. But it is human nature to be at least a little nervous when interacting with someone that can so drastically fuck your life over.

[matts5.0]

Only violating if I force them to give it... Geez lighten up. If I Ask and they refuse, then they refuse.

Why ask for it in the first place? Do you suspect them of committing a crime?

[cyclonescott]

Why ask for it in the first place? Do you suspect them of committing a crime?

Everybody is a suspect.

[cyclonescott]

Only violating if I force them to give it... Geez lighten up. If I Ask and they refuse, then they refuse.

And police wonder why people say FTP.

[Chili]

Why ask for it in the first place? Do you suspect them of committing a crime?

It's all about fishing.

[Tannerm]

Why ask for it in the first place? Do you suspect them of committing a crime?

This is a very rare occurence. Only happens on a blue moon when they look like they might be a problem. It's my job to be curious. As long as I'm not breaking the law and I'm being fair and honest, I'll pry.

[Tannerm]

Ugh... I give up. Lol ftp! Yall carry on.

[Chili]

This is a very rare occurence. Only happens on a blue moon when they look like they might be a problem. It's my job to be curious. As long as I'm not breaking the law and I'm being fair and honest, I'll pry.

Chickenshit ploy playing on the ignorance of citizens and willingness to comply with perceived orders.. Highly questionable approach and attitude, IMHO.

Like I said, no different ethically than shady salesmen cramming in upcharges on naive people.

Generally I don't have a problem with your posts in the FTP threads, this is a significant deviation.

[Chili]

Ugh... I give up. Lol ftp! Yall carry on.

You may mean no harm in it, and I can understand how cops can get so jaded by their day to day that they don't see the issue with stuff like this, but dang man. Really?

[Tannerm]

Chickenshit ploy playing on the ignorance of citizens and willingness to comply with perceived orders.. Highly questionable approach and attitude, IMHO.

Like I said, no different ethically than shady salesmen cramming in upcharges on naive people.

Generally I don't have a problem with your posts in the FTP threads, this is a significant deviation.

I'm sorry u feel that way chili. I don't see how this is any deviation. Me asking to see someone's ID "do u mind if I see ur ID?". I'm not trying to trublu yall here. Just answering as honest as possible..

[cyclonescott]

This is a very rare occurence. Only happens on a blue moon when they look like they might be a problem. It's my job to be curious. As long as I'm not breaking the law and I'm being fair and honest, I'll pry.

It is not your job to be curious. If I’m speeding, come up get my info, write the infraction and be done. It is none of your business where I’m going, why I am out so late, what is in the backseat, or who is in the car with me.

[Tannerm]

You may mean no harm in it, and I can understand how cops can get so jaded by their day to day that they don't see the issue with stuff like this, but dang man. Really?

Oh this can be true. Jaded and blind. But some of these ftp posts I take as a learning lesson. See what they did and where they effed up. Being jaded or complacent will get me in their shoes. If any of that made sense.

[Chili]

I'm sorry u feel that way chili. I don't see how this is any deviation. Me asking to see someone's ID "do u mind if I see ur ID?". I'm not trying to trublu yall here. Just answering as honest as possible..

As I said, and this may be hard for you to comprehend being on the other side of the badge, but many people comply with requests because they do not understand that it is a request, and not a command.

I will say that if you really pose the question that way, "do you mind", I will acknowledge that that is not really where my problem lies, but all to often that is not how the request is posed. It's the "I need to see your Id, ok?" or "ID please?" that I have a real problem with.

And maybe that is not even the officers intent, but out of habit or laziness, that is how it's delivered. And can be easily misunderstood.

It's my opinion that an officer should have to give a standard disclaimer when making a request as opposed to a command. "While you are not obligated to consent, will you allow me to search your car / see your ID / etc?". "To make it faster for me to complete this report, do you mind allowing me to use your ID / DL to speed this up?"

Keep things transparent and on the up and up.

Then again, cops can legally lie to or trick people during an interrogation, so I can see how some may see that kind of activity as acceptable.