Drug raid in Georgia...FTP.

[Forever_frost]

The whole cop vs the military thing is just a dumb argument. They are two completely different things that each have their own idiosyncrasies. Hell, some of the worst attitudes I've seen come from cops who are former military. Both jobs attract a certain mentality, so it's really no surprise.

I won't argue that. What I do argue is that terrorists in Iraq have more protections from soldiers than citizens in the US have from bad cops.

[Forever_frost]

The argument is with frosts assessment of theilitary being gods and police wanting to be them. Like I said when I made the post it didn't have to do with the topic at hand.

Never claimed we are gods, I claimed we are held to stricter standards with people that don't have constitutional protections and where we have to balance between winning hearts and minds in war zones, cops are uparmoring and doing no knock warrants, killing pets and innocents in cold blood with no repercussions or at the most, they get fired to go get another job. Rarely do you see cops, who shoot someone in the back of the head, go to prison.

[jewozzy]

Never claimed we are gods, I claimed we are held to stricter standards with people that don't have constitutional protections and where we have to balance between winning hearts and minds in war zones, cops are uparmoring and doing no knock warrants, killing pets and innocents in cold blood with no repercussions or at the most, they get fired to go get another job. Rarely do you see cops, who shoot someone in the back of the head, go to prison.

Which is only partially true.

[Sean88gt]

Is it odd that I had Queensryche playing in my head as I was reading that?



David

Fantastic call back, sir.

[Forever_frost]

Which is only partially true.

Not at all. Which part of my statement is false?

[jewozzy]

Not at all. Which part of my statement is false?

You and I will never agree on it. Apparently we are just going to keep saying the same thing...

[Forever_frost]

You and I will never agree on it. Apparently we are just going to keep saying the same thing...

Also a valid point. If cops want to play soldier (even those who are ex military) then they should go be a soldier. An officer is meant to be bound by the constitution, assume innocent until proven guilty and use the least amount of force necessary to enforce a legal arrest. They should ensure the address is correct before entering property they do not own and come down hard on bad cops, forcing them from the profession. This whole theory of "It's only a very small percentage" may be correct but police close ranks around bad ones and police unions protect scumbags at the taxpayer expense. The call for accountability should be loudest from those wearing the badge.

[bcoop]

So the officers serving the warrant should've allowed the home owner to potentially shoot them?

Holy shit. No wonder cops are killing people all the time.


Better you than me, if that was my door you busted down on the word of a fucking junky.


I have no ill will towards you, but it is a natural reaction to protect your property. I get woken up at 3am by someone entering my home, it isn't going to be a pretty sight for anyone, myself included. Nor should I be expected to remain calm, and not defend my property.

[bcoop]

The call for accountability should be loudest from those wearing the badge.

Bingo. And it's a far cry from it. Instead of calling for accountability, they defend them. No need to look any further than this board for a plethora of proof.

[talisman]

Bingo. And it's a far cry from it. Instead of calling for accountability, they defend them. No need to look any further than this board for a plethora of proof.

Sad truth.

[jewozzy]

Holy shit. No wonder cops are killing people all the time.


Better you than me, if that was my door you busted down on the word of a fucking junky.


I have no ill will towards you, but it is a natural reaction to protect your property. I get woken up at 3am by someone entering my home, it isn't going to be a pretty sight for anyone, myself included. Nor should I be expected to remain calm, and not defend my property.

I get that and agree but the officers serving the warrant are generally not the officer that goes to the judge to get the warrant. Somewhere in this case assuming the media isn't telling half truthes information was not given.

[Forever_frost]

I get that and agree but the officers serving the warrant are generally not the officer that goes to the judge to get the warrant. Somewhere in this case assuming the media isn't telling half truthes information was not given.

Then those serving the warrant should be questioning the guys who get the warrant and actually have eyes on to check to ensure everything syncs up. With as many people leave their home every day, there are very limited instances that there should ever be a no knock. People leave their home, you detain them in their driveway or on the road away from it and THEN execute the search warrant. No APC's or body armor or breaching required and no body count.

[jewozzy]

Then those serving the warrant should be questioning the guys who get the warrant and actually have eyes on to check to ensure everything syncs up. With as many people leave their home every day, there are very limited instances that there should ever be a no knock. People leave their home, you detain them in their driveway or on the road away from it and THEN execute the search warrant. No APC's or body armor or breaching required and no body count.

And what happens when a chase starts and the person wrecks out killing others?

[Forever_frost]

And what happens when a chase starts and the person wrecks out killing others?

You mean someone who runs from a routine traffic stop? Probably the same thing that happens when a gunfight happens and those rounds the cops fire start punching through innocent homes. Would you like reports of cops dumping over a hundred rounds into a car where two people sat with a vehicle in park and rounds entered homes inches away from sleeping children?

I can play "what if's" if you really like. Tell me, what is the punishment for cops that don't check their backdrop and their rounds injure someone else.

[Baron Von Crowder]

And what happens when a chase starts and the person wrecks out killing others?

you're right, you should blast them in the living room late at night.