Drug raid in Georgia...FTP.

[jewozzy]

You mean someone who runs from a routine traffic stop? Probably the same thing that happens when a gunfight happens and those rounds the cops fire start punching through innocent homes. Would you like reports of cops dumping over a hundred rounds into a car where two people sat with a vehicle in park and rounds entered homes inches away from sleeping children?

I can play "what if's" if you really like. Tell me, what is the punishment for cops that don't check their backdrop and their rounds injure someone else.

The likelihood of someone running while committing felony offenses is pretty high in case you didn't know.

[Baron Von Crowder]

The likelihood of someone running while committing felony offenses is pretty high in case you didn't know.

And to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

[jewozzy]

you're right, you should blast them in the living room late at night.

I'm asking because there is an argument to both sides. I would say knock and announce is probably the best answer but what about those cases where that's completely unsafe?

[Rick Modena]

Why do the pOlice always have to deflect to other topics other than the one at hand? How the fuck did the comaparisons of the military and MD's take over talking about 'no knock warrants'?

[jewozzy]

Why do the pOlice always have to deflect to other topics other than the one at hand? How the fuck did the comaparisons of the military and MD's take over talking about 'no knock warrants"?

Its already been explained.

[jluv]

But just because no drugs were found does not make it a bad warrant.

Wut?

It damn sure should, especially for no-knock warrants.

If you're going to bust up into someone's home, you better be 100% sure you're going to find what you're looking for. Otherwise, find another way to catch them. It's that simple. Actually, it's not, because I don't think you should be busting up into their homes for drug shit, anyway.

[Sean88gt]

If the warrant was based on drugs being present, then it failed, the cops failed, the issuing judge failed and so forth.

[Denny]

If the warrant was based on drugs being present, then it failed, the cops failed, the issuing judge failed and so forth.

How much schooling did it take to get you to this point?

[Sean88gt]

How much schooling did it take to get you to this point?

None, that's a freebie, and in reply to Jared's reply.

[Forever_frost]

I'm asking because there is an argument to both sides. I would say knock and announce is probably the best answer but what about those cases where that's completely unsafe?

You still knock and announce because "Innocent until proven guilty." You have to give the option to surrender instead of breaking into a home with rifles out and opening fire. You wouldn't stand for armed men kicking in your door but don't mind when other officers do it to someone else.

[jewozzy]

You still knock and announce because "Innocent until proven guilty." You have to give the option to surrender instead of breaking into a home with rifles out and opening fire. You wouldn't stand for armed men kicking in your door but don't mind when other officers do it to someone else.

Innocence or guilt has nothing to do with being arrested on a warrant. The court of law decides that.

[Forever_frost]

Wut?

It damn sure should, especially for no-knock warrants.

If you're going to bust up into someone's home, you better be 100% sure you're going to find what you're looking for. Otherwise, find another way to catch them. It's that simple. Actually, it's not, because I don't think you should be busting up into their homes for drug shit, anyway.

Exactly. If your no knock warrant was based on "there's drugs there" and there wasn't AND you killed someone? Everyone who touched that warrant should be fired at the very least from the guys who took it to the judge to the judge to the officers who executed it. That should be one of those "Last option, nothing else is available and there's a high probability that this person is going to kill a lot of people" things.

[Forever_frost]

Innocence or guilt has nothing to do with being arrested on a warrant. The court of law decides that.

Actually, it has a lot to do with being arrested. If you're arresting me, you better be damned sure I did something wrong. The mindset should always be "There's a chance this person is innocent, I probably shouldn't have my finger on the trigger when I walk in the door." If a family pet is in the house and you have the wrong address and shoot it? You should be fired and charged with animal abuse as well as negligent discharge. If you shoot a homeowner at a wrong address it should be aggravated (insert charge here) because there was no reason to be there or for you to shoot someone (not you in particular, cops.)

In Iraq we didn't have the presumption of innocence, here we do. If your crack head idiot informer told you there's drugs in there, you should know if there's kids, how many, if there's pet and .... oh yeah, if there's actually fucking drugs there all before you kick in that door. It's called investigation but that takes time and isn't as exciting as stacking up and busting down doors.