Ford to discontinue v8 motors in mustang, f-150 after 2017

[Rreemo]

Have the eco boost truck had any problem hauling trailers.

Mine pulls a 22' enclosed Haulmark and an 18' open car trailer regularly (did ~500 miles with a 55' Chevy just last weekend, through some pretty shitty weather). I have zero complaints with either one. Matter of fact, I would go as far as to say that I think it actually tows better than some of the older 3/4 ton trucks I've had in the past.

[Sean88gt]

I foresee the V8 in trucks being limited to the Super Duty in the future anyway. The Super Duty still drives and rides like an old truck, so they can classify it as a "Work Truck/Utility Truck" and be exempt from the CAFE standards for passenger cars. It is not intended to be a passenger car. As it stands now, compare the same package level F150 and F250 and there is a world of difference in creature comforts and ride.

I believe that CAFE standards are extending to 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.

[lowthreeohz]

Mine pulls a 22' enclosed Haulmark and an 18' open car trailer regularly (did ~500 miles with a 55' Chevy just last weekend, through some pretty shitty weather). I have zero complaints with either one. Matter of fact, I would go as far as to say that I think it actually tows better than some of the older 3/4 ton trucks I've had in the past.

I'll echo that sentiment. Drove my fully loaded 8.5x16 enclosed 3500mi one way without any sort of a hiccup. It especially shined up in the mountains where NA vehicles suffer

[Joe Wiecked]

I believe that CAFE standards are extending to 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.

That depends on how they are sold. CAFE standards only apply to vehicles sold as Passenger Cars. The trucks sold as "work trucks" are exempt as they say they can justify the exemption. This would likely mean that the Lariat and other luxury packages would not be available or extremely limited in these trucks. Looking at XL/XLT only if there are different packages. I could see them going back to the old basic truck designs where the only creature comforts are an option radio and AC/Heater.

I could also see CAFE including limitations on who can purchase these vehicles that are exempt. Right now anyone can purchase a 1 ton with no bed or a flat bed. I could see Congress restricting that to a business purchase since it is exempt. Only fleet trucks and Farms would have them. Basically when you purchase, if you have the proper paperwork, you can get commercial plates or Farm Plates, like I have on the F250.

[Joe Wiecked]

Good to know on the ecoboost. I have driven one, but just on a test drive and not towing. I almost bought it, but for the price of it used, I was in a new 5.0. It had a lot miles as well.

[Sean88gt]

That depends on how they are sold. CAFE standards only apply to vehicles sold as Passenger Cars. The trucks sold as "work trucks" are exempt as they say they can justify the exemption. This would likely mean that the Lariat and other luxury packages would not be available or extremely limited in these trucks. Looking at XL/XLT only if there are different packages. I could see them going back to the old basic truck designs where the only creature comforts are an option radio and AC/Heater.

I could also see CAFE including limitations on who can purchase these vehicles that are exempt. Right now anyone can purchase a 1 ton with no bed or a flat bed. I could see Congress restricting that to a business purchase since it is exempt. Only fleet trucks and Farms would have them. Basically when you purchase, if you have the proper paperwork, you can get commercial plates or Farm Plates, like I have on the F250.

I can't find it, but I'm pretty sure they pulled in 3/4 and 1 tons because of the amount on the road.

[Joe Wiecked]

I can't find it, but I'm pretty sure they pulled in 3/4 and 1 tons because of the amount on the road.

They did. I remember it. It applies to vehicles sold as passenger cars. They stated that the majority of them on the road are registered as personal vehicles and not as business/utility like they used to be. Because of that, they defined the Super/Heavy Duty as a passenger car as well. Yet, every one sold as a business/farm/gov. are not counted in the the CAFE score. If they are not sold as passenger cars, then it does not apply. It would basically be Ford/Gov. saying that unless you have the ability to buy as a business/Farm/Gov. agency, then you cannot buy this vehicle. This would mean in cars such as the Police, Fire, Business (utilities, mechanic, tow truck, Hot Shot drivers, etc...), and Farm (Farmers, Vet, Loggers, etc...) could still have the V8s as they have a justifiable reason under the law and are exempt from the standard. But as I said, it would be only these on the road and the number would begin to decline on the road. I just went through all this crap getting my passenger car registered F250 re classified as a Farm Truck.

[Sean88gt]

How would they delineate that? Most trucks sold to businesses are still used for personal use. It isn't the dealer/manufacturer's responsibility to track the vehicles after the sale.

Regardless, it's fucking ridiculous, and the manufacturers should have started increasing fuel economy earlier. They have themselves to blame.

[Baron Von Crowder]

I was told that the total of all the passenger cars sold would have to meet X number for the CAFE standards. So they have to sell a shit ton of small, ultra efficient cars to offset the gas guzzlers

[FATHERFORD]

[STANGGT40]

If fuel mileage is the main concern, they should just move to diesels. My screw 4x4 f250 gets better mileage than my wife's screw f150 4x4 with the ecoboost 6cyl.

[BLAKE]

Regardless, it's fucking ridiculous, and the manufacturers should have started increasing fuel economy earlier. They have themselves to blame.

They've been working on the ecoboost angle for quite a while now, and it's working. Hard to blame them for selling every big truck they can though. The margin on trucks is HUGE.

[YALE]

I'm down with moving to smaller engines. racrguy and I were having this discussion at lunch. A Volkswagen V6 diesel makes the power a 454 made in the 70's, and gets probably three times the fuel mileage doing it. All things must pass, and I care far more about engines being able to go fast and be fun and responsive to driver inputs than I do about them being able to scare life back into roadkill.

[BLAKE]

Your opinion doesn't count, Yale. You had a Neon.

[mstng86]

Your opinion doesn't count, Yale. You had a Neon.

was it even the "cool" neon?