Scary stuff-parents, you need to be paying attention

[mstng86]

There are similarities, admittedly, but it is much more slanted in the corporate world.

When the schools are more worried about getting butts in the seats to fill a quota for state funding, there is a problem. They shouldn't have to be worrying about getting money. That shouldn't be their priority, but unfortunately that is todays reality. The schools will put off to the last minute to close these days. They contemplate the risk of getting the money for the attendance over the welfare of the kids and the parents dropping them off.

What I am saying is, people that run schools should not have to worry about money. Their main function is to educate, and the way the system is setup now, the money is more important to keep the school running.

[Broncojohnny]

High School and College Grads nowadays can't seem to get off their butts and find work despite their 'education'.

If the economy were left to its own devices, they would be running farms. Interesting how that works.

[Chili]

With private schools come competition. Me putting my child and money into said school is a choice. (Unlike Public School)

If I am not satisfied with the quality of my childs education, my child and my money go elsewhere. (unlike Public School)

Because of this, bad Private Schools die on the vine while good Private schools flourish. (unlike Public School)

But the lifecycle for that to happen will be too slow and too much damage will be done in the mean time.

I'm not saying that privatization of the school system flat won't work, just saying it's easy to yell "privatize!"

[sc281]

How well did they do? My grandfather was a carpenter his whole life and never acheived more than lower middle class. My grandmother worked at a bakery part time. I would hardly say they did great for themselves. They survived with the skills they had.

So based on your argument we should just try to go back to how everythign was in the early 20th century.. That will surely solve all of our problems.

My Great Grandfather and Great Grandmother ( Using Great as an example, because I am a generation younger than you) ran a Farm and raised four children with a 3rd and 5th grade education.

High School and College Grads nowadays can't seem to get off their butts and find work despite their 'education'.

[Broncojohnny]

First of all, I think the "crappy" education system we have in this country is mostly a myth spread by people with ulterior motives. Teacher's unions for example.

Secondly, the idea that if I pay school taxes on property, I am somehow "giving back" for what I consumed is absurd. I used the public school system for 18 years, then I pay for the next 60 years with a total outlay that would let me buy education at any private as school as well as Ivy league college tuition? The vast majority of revenue in urban areas comes from commercial properties, exactly what are they paying for?

Fact is, the school situation is a classic example of what happens when you give someone a handout. People who pay taxes support scumbags who don't. Those scumbags then send their kids to school for free and don't give a shit whether they pass or fail. The kids suffer and don't get the opportunity that they should. Fact is, the scumbags should have a stake in the game just like I should.

[Chili]

To be fair Chili, you just described the school system in this paragraph. IMO.

There are similarities, admittedly, but it is much more slanted in the corporate world.

[sc281]

When a school becomes a business the school is going to be more concerned with the bottom line than the actual education of the kids.. That is the way business is. Every company I have ever worked for was more concerned with shareholders' value than employees or customers. And those are not the type of people I want educating my kids.

With private schools come competition. Me putting my child and money into said school is a choice. (Unlike Public School)

If I am not satisfied with the quality of my childs education, my child and my money go elsewhere. (unlike Public School)

Because of this, bad Private Schools die on the vine while good Private schools flourish. (unlike Public School)

[Chili]

I am with Chili on this, the education being given isn't so much the problem, as the initiative by shitty parents on making sure their children follow through and receive that education. My parents were a big part of me getting good grades, and insisting that I was raised with good values and morals. That's not the school system's job, it's the parents, but both do go hand in hand.

I absolutely agree with that. Everyone is very quick to blame the schools, teachers and system but you don't find many that blame themselves (as parents) or the students themselves. I went to the same high school, in the same district at the same time with my peers. Some became doctors, some have had a great deal of success with business, others scrape by and some are bums. How did the same education system succeed by producing a future millionaire but at the same time fail at producing the bum.

[Grape]

those that want to do something with their life do it, unfortunately the portion of those going through school who don't want to do anything is getting to be a rather large number.

[Chili]

Look how well your Grandparents did with their 'crappy' education. Less 'educated' yet still did great for themselves.

Look how many of our students can't graduate with the new 'crappy education'. More 'educated' (the 40% that graduate), but dumb as rocks.

Which would I put my bet on to have a better life? Do I really need to answer?

How well did they do? My grandfather was a carpenter his whole life and never acheived more than lower middle class. My grandmother worked at a bakery part time. I would hardly say they did great for themselves. They survived with the skills they had.

So based on your argument we should just try to go back to how everythign was in the early 20th century.. That will surely solve all of our problems.

[mstng86]

When a school becomes a business the school is going to be more concerned with the bottom line than the actual education of the kids.. That is the way business is. Every company I have ever worked for was more concerned with shareholders' value than employees or customers. And those are not the type of people I want educating my kids.

To be fair Chili, you just described the school system in this paragraph. IMO.

[Chili]

Such as?



Eh hm.

private school

First, You are assuming that every private school is better at educating children than all public schools, but that is a big assumption. There are some pretty crappy ones out there.

Then you still have to worry about creating standards and overseeing those private schools. Otherwise what is to stop them from simply selling diplomas? Isn't that what people always complain about with some of the newer private universities like University of Phoenix?

When a school becomes a business the school is going to be more concerned with the bottom line than the actual education of the kids.. That is the way business is. Every company I have ever worked for was more concerned with shareholders' value than employees or customers. And those are not the type of people I want educating my kids.

[Silverback]

I am with Chili on this, the education being given isn't so much the problem, as the initiative by shitty parents on making sure their children follow through and receive that education. My parents were a big part of me getting good grades, and insisting that I was raised with good values and morals. That's not the school system's job, it's the parents, but both do go hand in hand.

[sc281]

You sure they would have been smarter? First lets seperate smart from educated, because there is a big difference between the two. But I can guarantee that our children today are more educated in our "crappy" school systems than my grandparents who were educated by their parents, who were educated by their parents.

Look how well your Grandparents did with their 'crappy' education. Less 'educated' yet still did great for themselves.

Education was a privelage and they worked hard for it, and apprecated the opportunity.

Look how many of our students can't graduate with the new 'crappy education'. More 'educated' (the 40% that graduate), but dumb as rocks.

Education is a 'right' and no one cares about the quality of that educated as long as they have a piece of paper saying they did the minimum required.

Which would I put my bet on to have a better life? Do I really need to answer?

[Chili]

No, they would have gotten taught privately or at home and would have been smarter for it.

You sure they would have been smarter? First lets seperate smart from educated, because there is a big difference between the two. But I can guarantee that our children today are more educated in our "crappy" school systems than my grandparents who were educated by their parents, who were educated by their parents.