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Well after this afternoon's ruling it's going to be almost impossible for the defense to get the lead investigator of the case to testify in front of the jury that he didn't think she committed a crime.
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It all has to do with him being considered an expert witness as opposed to the investigator that the state called him in as. Now that they've established what their defense is going to be they'll bring him back in as an expert witness.Originally posted by Rick Modena View PostOh I see. I was wondering why they wouldn't allow his testimony, but now I get it.
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Oh I see. I was wondering why they wouldn't allow his testimony, but now I get it.Originally posted by jewozzy View PostYou don't think she should have taken the stand at all or what? She had some bad lines but she also showed a human side. She was going to take the stand so I would have wanted her to go first and then let the experts come in and clean up the bad lines she had.
Also, she had to take the stand in order for them to be able to bring in the star which is going to be the state trooper that investigated the incident and is going to testify now in front of the jurors that he did not think she should have been charged based on the penal code. The only way they would be able to get him up as an expert is if they can bring in testimony from the defendant based on her actions.
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You don't think she should have taken the stand at all or what? She had some bad lines but she also showed a human side. She was going to take the stand so I would have wanted her to go first and then let the experts come in and clean up the bad lines she had.Originally posted by Rick Modena View PostI can't believe she took the stand today...
Also, she had to take the stand in order for them to be able to bring in the star which is going to be the state trooper that investigated the incident and is going to testify now in front of the jurors that he did not think she should have been charged based on the penal code. The only way they would be able to get him up as an expert is if they can bring in testimony from the defendant based on her actions.
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Nothing ever happens down in podunk VenusOriginally posted by kingjason View Post100 percent correct.
If she was Susy Q citizen this would be handled the same way.................except they wouldn't have charged her with murder. The reason people believe such things is we are put in these situations far more than most others so it just gets a lot of publicity and there a re a shit load of no bills because we are doing our job and generally know when to use our weapons. While there are tons of examples out there of misconduct there are millions of interactions a year. It is just statistically the way it is.
Now to the haters on LE and it being such an easy job. I now work in a small town where " Nothing ever happens" right? This weekend my 3 folks and I handled 10 fucking domestic disturbances, and one was a 4 hour stand off mixed in with a bunch of other calls. I worked 40 hours in three days but that is not the hard part. I am not figuring out how to match pipes and cement things. I made several life and death decisions that played out well but there are several that could have ended badly. So not only am I dealing with totally irrational people, I also have the responsibility to my troops and the four county units I borrowed families, to get those folks home safe. I also have to explain to them on a regular basis why the same folks that caused such a stir are now going to be mad at them and back living together, trying to drop charges, and that we may have to deal with that again.
Yes I chose this profession, and most days it is not to shabby, however there are lots of days the stress is high. The other bad thing about this job is if you fuck up, there is a greater chance of getting charged for something than any other profession. The fryer at McDonalds is not going to catch a charge flipping burgers.
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He's been busy!Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder View Postand you still have yet to stop in...
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and you still have yet to stop in...Originally posted by kingjason View Post100 percent correct.
If she was Susy Q citizen this would be handled the same way.................except they wouldn't have charged her with murder. The reason people believe such things is we are put in these situations far more than most others so it just gets a lot of publicity and there a re a shit load of no bills because we are doing our job and generally know when to use our weapons. While there are tons of examples out there of misconduct there are millions of interactions a year. It is just statistically the way it is.
Now to the haters on LE and it being such an easy job. I now work in a small town where " Nothing ever happens" right? This weekend my 3 folks and I handled 10 fucking domestic disturbances, and one was a 4 hour stand off mixed in with a bunch of other calls. I worked 40 hours in three days but that is not the hard part. I am not figuring out how to match pipes and cement things. I made several life and death decisions that played out well but there are several that could have ended badly. So not only am I dealing with totally irrational people, I also have the responsibility to my troops and the four county units I borrowed families, to get those folks home safe. I also have to explain to them on a regular basis why the same folks that caused such a stir are now going to be mad at them and back living together, trying to drop charges, and that we may have to deal with that again.
Yes I chose this profession, and most days it is not to shabby, however there are lots of days the stress is high. The other bad thing about this job is if you fuck up, there is a greater chance of getting charged for something than any other profession. The fryer at McDonalds is not going to catch a charge flipping burgers.
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100 percent correct.Originally posted by lincolnboy View PostThe law will always have a different court of law.
If she was Susy Q citizen this would be handled the same way.................except they wouldn't have charged her with murder. The reason people believe such things is we are put in these situations far more than most others so it just gets a lot of publicity and there a re a shit load of no bills because we are doing our job and generally know when to use our weapons. While there are tons of examples out there of misconduct there are millions of interactions a year. It is just statistically the way it is.
Now to the haters on LE and it being such an easy job. I now work in a small town where " Nothing ever happens" right? This weekend my 3 folks and I handled 10 fucking domestic disturbances, and one was a 4 hour stand off mixed in with a bunch of other calls. I worked 40 hours in three days but that is not the hard part. I am not figuring out how to match pipes and cement things. I made several life and death decisions that played out well but there are several that could have ended badly. So not only am I dealing with totally irrational people, I also have the responsibility to my troops and the four county units I borrowed families, to get those folks home safe. I also have to explain to them on a regular basis why the same folks that caused such a stir are now going to be mad at them and back living together, trying to drop charges, and that we may have to deal with that again.
Yes I chose this profession, and most days it is not to shabby, however there are lots of days the stress is high. The other bad thing about this job is if you fuck up, there is a greater chance of getting charged for something than any other profession. The fryer at McDonalds is not going to catch a charge flipping burgers.
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When it comes down to protecting themselves the government and by extension the courts will argue about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin and split every hair that they can find. When it comes down to you and I they'll use every power at their disposal to back us into a corner to force a plea on a charge that you may or may not be guilty of.Originally posted by Ruffdaddy View PostI sure as hell hope she was fully aware of what happens when you pull a firearm on an unarmed man and pull the trigger. Texting while driving shares a much lower probability of fatal incident than shooting at someone does. This is pointless and I'm in complete awe of the fact that something of this magnitude totally glossed over yall.
Being paranoid doesnt give you a license to go blasting people in their own residence.
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I sure as hell hope she was fully aware of what happens when you pull a firearm on an unarmed man and pull the trigger. Texting while driving shares a much lower probability of fatal incident than shooting at someone does. This is pointless and I'm in complete awe of the fact that something of this magnitude totally glossed over yall.Originally posted by Nash B. View PostSomeone that texts while driving is "aware but consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk," so that actually meets the requirement for recklessness.
Was she "aware of" and did she "consciously disregard a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur"?
Being paranoid doesnt give you a license to go blasting people in their own residence.
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Someone that texts while driving is "aware but consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk," so that actually meets the requirement for recklessness.Originally posted by Ruffdaddy View PostPeople get manslaughter charges for texting while driving. What she did was 10x as reckless as that.
This lady was reckless from the get go. In a sexual relationship with her partner...whom she was talking to on the way to intrude on Bothams apartment.
Then she goes in without her key fob working.
Then she pulls her gun on an unarmed man eating icecream
Them she shoots an unarmed man that she hasn't even confirmed was a threat.
That's so many layers of reckless that it appears to have totally confused yall into thinking it wasnt a textbook manslaughter case.
If I pull a gun at all without being certain I'm in danger...that's reckless. This lady pulled a gun and then shot an unarmed person in their own apartment.
I'm not an FTP person but these police need to start serving some time.
Was she "aware of" and did she "consciously disregard a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur"?
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