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  • trying to find this elsewhere to corroborate, however its interesting that they're now saying they overestimated the mortality by a couple of orders of magnitude.

    Epidemiologist Neil Ferguson, who created the highly-cited Imperial College London coronavirus model, which has been cited by organizations like The New York Times and has been instrumental in governmental policy decision-making, offered a massively downgraded projection of the potential deathtoll on Wednesday.Ferguson’s model projected 2.2 million dead people in the United States and 500,000 in the U.K. from COVID-19 if no action were taken to slow the virus and blunt its curve. The model predicted far fewer deaths if lockdown measures — measures such as those taken by the British and American governments — were undertaken.After just one day of ordered lockdowns in the U.K., Ferguson is presenting drastically downgraded estimates, crediting lockdown measures, but also revealing that far more people likely have the virus than his team figured.Ferguson explained, “I should admit, we’ve always been sensitive in the analysis in the modeling to a variety of levels or values to those quantities. What we’ve been seeing, though, in Europe in the last week or two is a rate of growth of the epidemic which was faster than we expected from early data in China. And so we are revising our quotes, our central best estimate of the reproduction… something more, a little bit above of the order of three or a little bit above rather than about 2.5.” He added, “the current values are still within the wide range of values which modeling groups [unintelligible] we should have been looking at previously.”A higher rate of transmission than expected means that more people have the virus than previously expected; when the number of those with coronavirus is divided by the number of deaths, therefore, the mortality rate for the disease drops.Based on both those revised estimates and the lockdown measures taken by the British government, the epidemiologist predicts, hospitals will be just fine taking on COVID-19 patients and estimates 20,000 or far fewer people will die from the virus itself or from its agitation of other ailments, as reported by New Scientist Wednesday.Ferguson’s change of tune comes days after Oxford epidemiologist Sunetra Gupta criticized the professor’s model.“I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model,” Gupta said, according to the Financial Times.Professor Gupta led a team of researchers at Oxford in a modeling study which suggests that the virus has been invisibly spreading for at least a month earlier than suspected, concluding that as many as half of the people in the United Kingdom have already been infected by COVID-19.If her model is accurate, fewer than one in a thousand who’ve been infected with COVID-19 become sick enough to need hospitalization, leaving the vast majority with mild cases or free of symptoms.Ferguson did continue to argue that the Oxford model is too optimistic about death rates.UPDATE: Amid widespread reporting on his new death rate estimates — including by White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx, who cited his 20,000 estimate during a press conference Thursday — Ferguson issued a statement on social media Thursday to “clear up confusion” about his revised estimates:I think it would be helpful if I cleared up some confusion that has emerged in recent days. Some have interpreted my evidence to a UK parliamentary committee as indicating we have substantially revised our assessments of the potential mortality impact of COVID-19. This is not the case. Indeed, if anything, our latest estimates suggest that the virus is slightly more transmissible than we previously thought. Our lethality estimates remain unchanged. My evidence to Parliament referred to the deaths we assess might occur in the UK in the presence of the very intensive social distancing and other public health interventions now in place. Without those controls, our assessment remains that the UK would see the scale of deaths reported in our study (namely, up to approximately 500 thousand).1/4 – I think it would be helpful if I cleared up some confusion that has emerged in recent days. Some have interpreted my evidence to a UK parliamentary committee as indicating we have substantially revised our assessments of the potential mortality impact of COVID-19.— neil_ferguson (@neil_ferguson) March 26, 2020 Correction: The original title of this article incorrectly suggested that Neil Ferguson stated his initial model was wrong. The article has been revised to make clear that he provided a downgraded projection given the new data and current mitigation steps. This article has also been updated to include Ferguson’s clarifying statement posted on Twitter on Thursday.

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    • Originally posted by lowthreeohz View Post
      trying to find this elsewhere to corroborate, however its interesting that they're now saying they overestimated the mortality by a couple of orders of magnitude.

      https://www.dailywire.com/news/epide...-revises-model

      Saw that elsewhere this morning.
      Cliffs Notes for others... The study that said UK would see 500k deaths has been revised by the author down to 20k deaths.

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      • I love it. Someone’s “prediction” had to be revised after the fact. Sounds a lot like these people have a lot in common with the global warming folks.

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        • Originally posted by lowthreeohz View Post
          trying to find this elsewhere to corroborate, however its interesting that they're now saying they overestimated the mortality by a couple of orders of magnitude.

          https://www.dailywire.com/news/epide...-revises-model
          Neil Ferguson sucks more than Steve Bartman.

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          • So... who thinks the CDC is going to grow much larger, and much more powerful after all this? Government always uses any excuse to get bigger.
            WH

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            • Just found out, I am looking at over 100 days unpaid. Everyone was just furloughed in my dept. The travel industry has taken a major hit and of course that is where I WAS working. This completely sucks because I am close to living paycheck to paycheck, UGH. Can not even imagine this would ever happen. Hope this mess is over soon. This whole toilet paper craze and almost zero food in the super markets seems to have everyone worried.
              Last edited by Jon/xpm; 03-26-2020, 07:01 PM.

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              • I feel bad for my next door neighbor. She has like 3 to 4 signs on her door warning to stay away because of the Corona Virus. She is elderly and has pre existing conditions. Just saw the apartment complex threatening to kick her out because she clogged the sewer pipes because she is scared to leave her apartment or interact with anyone. Just flushing anything and everything down the toilets instead of taking it to the trash can or have someone do it for her. Plenty of people have volunteer but the pure fear has got her. Crazy world we live in.

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                • Originally posted by Jon/xpm View Post
                  Just found out, I am looking at over 100 days unpaid. Everyone was just furloughed in my dept. The travel industry has taken a major hit and of course that is where I WAS working. This completely sucks because I am close to living paycheck to paycheck, UGH. Can not even imagine this would ever happen. Hope this mess is over soon. This whole toilet paper craze and almost zero food in the super markets seems to have everyone worried.
                  That sucks I'm sorry and I know it's not the same pay but file for unemployment immediately. If you tell them that the corona was a factor they will fast track your unemployment and you want miss a paycheck. My wife works at a hotel and resort and they have already cut almost everyone and they called a meeting for the remainder of the people and told them that they already have all their paperwork ready to go for unemployment if they have to close up shop for a while and told them they wouldn't miss a paycheck.

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                  • Originally posted by krazy kris View Post
                    That sucks I'm sorry and I know it's not the same pay but file for unemployment immediately. If you tell them that the corona was a factor they will fast track your unemployment and you want miss a paycheck. My wife works at a hotel and resort and they have already cut almost everyone and they called a meeting for the remainder of the people and told them that they already have all their paperwork ready to go for unemployment if they have to close up shop for a while and told them they wouldn't miss a paycheck.
                    Thanks for the advice. I plan on filing ASAP online. Still waiting on my paper work so I can apply since the process does not start till 3/29 (from my understanding)

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                    • Originally posted by Gasser64 View Post
                      So... who thinks the CDC is going to grow much larger, and much more powerful after all this? Government always uses any excuse to get bigger.
                      It does all feel very Orwellian. Gov’t only grows. That’s for certain. You ever see it shrink or laws / regulations removed or deleted?

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                      • Because of the magnitude of the issue we're facing, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but if they think they will make this a regular practice, then people will start dying of lead poisoning because I won't play their games. I'll see what they do as far as enacting laws before I get too bent out of shape over it..

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                        • Originally posted by Jon/xpm View Post
                          I feel bad for my next door neighbor. She has like 3 to 4 signs on her door warning to stay away because of the Corona Virus. She is elderly and has pre existing conditions. Just saw the apartment complex threatening to kick her out because she clogged the sewer pipes because she is scared to leave her apartment or interact with anyone. Just flushing anything and everything down the toilets instead of taking it to the trash can or have someone do it for her. Plenty of people have volunteer but the pure fear has got her. Crazy world we live in.
                          That's the shame, she is self-isolating and the apartment managers are on the warpath. Weren't forced evictions halted by Judge Jenkins in Dallas County (assuming this in Dallas County) for 2 months or so?

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                          • Originally posted by AnthonyS View Post
                            It does all feel very Orwellian. Gov’t only grows. That’s for certain. You ever see it shrink or laws / regulations removed or deleted?
                            Here and there... sometimes. There are times that they view some things to be more of a pain than they're worth. Also if you look closely, sometimes technology will dry them up. It has happened that something comes along and makes a lot of government employees and offices obsolete. And really, the less of them around, the better. Any reduction in their numbers is a good thing for us. But I agree it's definitely uncommon.
                            WH

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                            • Originally posted by Trip McNeely View Post
                              I love it. Someone’s “prediction” had to be revised after the fact. Sounds a lot like these people have a lot in common with the global warming folks.
                              IMO, the reaction is an overreaction. All the panic and hysteria. My $0.02.


                              And Paxton told any county and city to pound sand restricting guns:
                              "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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                              • It may not be as contagious as we thought. My home town was Springtown and the JOP got corona and it's been about 2 weeks. He is doing better and his wife that has been taking care of him has not showed 1 sign or symptom. she just got her test back and it was negative.

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