Should smoking be banned in bars?

[jdgregory84]

Again, that's a social repercussion and bar fights aren't essentially resultant outcomes from every instance of alcohol consumption.

...and not every person that inhales second-hand smoke is going to get lung-cancer, see spots, and/or throw up. You already retracted your argument about bars. Other than concerts in bars, I've never been to an indoor show where smoking was allowed.

[Slowhand]

You've never seen a barfight? You don't think the booze had a little to do with it?

Again, that's a social repercussion and bar fights aren't essentially resultant outcomes from every instance of alcohol consumption.

[jdgregory84]

Clever dude, really. But the consumption of alcohol doesn't inherently require the degradation of the physical environment in which someone is drinking. Someone may not enjoy the social environment, but I think that's somewhat different from the condition of the physical environment.

You've never seen a barfight? You don't think the booze had a little to do with it?

[Slowhand]

Nah, I'm just fucking around. I think the gov't should mind its own business but I sorta agree with you that smoking around non-smokers is a little inconsiderate. I personally don't smoke around kids and try to be cognizant of non-smokers around me. Still, and honestly, being around drinkers is truly one of the most annoying things in the world.

I missed the whole bar portion of this earlier, so my argument in here is moot. Regardless, this really isn't the government's business.

And my god, you couldn't be more spot on about the drinkers.

[TENGRAM]

Clever dude, really. But the consumption of alcohol doesn't inherently require the degradation of the physical environment in which someone is drinking. Someone may not enjoy the social environment, but I think that's somewhat different from the condition of the physical environment.

Nah, I'm just fucking around. I think the gov't should mind its own business but I sorta agree with you that smoking around non-smokers is a little inconsiderate. I personally don't smoke around kids and try to be cognizant of non-smokers around me. Still, and honestly, being around drinkers is truly one of the most annoying things in the world.

[32vfromhell]

but how will people know who the whores are? =P

[Slowhand]

You know, it's not right that I go into a bar and have to be around drinkers. I just want to have a coke and a smoke and relax, meanwhile I have to listen to dudes having a grab-assin' bro-fest next to me and talking about which bar whore they're gonna try and get an STD from that night. Totally inconsiderate of them to come into a bar and drink around a non-drinker. I have a right to not be subjected to that.

Clever dude, really. But the consumption of alcohol doesn't inherently require the degradation of the physical environment in which someone is drinking. Someone may not enjoy the social environment, but I think that's somewhat different from the condition of the physical environment.

I'll also further my point in that I don't really give a fuck if you're in a bar; you're asking for all of the shit that accompanies a bar when you step foot in it. But when the primary activity going on in an establishment is somewhat different from that of a bar, I do think it's a different situation.

edit: I guess this makes my point completely irrelevant, because I assumed this thread was a direct offshoot of the general smoking ban thread. In that case, do whatever the fuck you want in a bar.

[TENGRAM]

hey bro! aww bro. foreal bro? BROOO!

[TENGRAM]

You know, it's not right that I go into a bar and have to be around drinkers. I just want to have a coke and a smoke and relax, meanwhile I have to listen to dudes having a grab-assin' bro-fest next to me and talking about which bar whore they're gonna try and get an STD from that night. Totally inconsiderate of them to come into a bar and drink around a non-drinker. I have a right to not be subjected to that.

[Slowhand]

If you're seeing spots and throwing up your dinner, you need to go see a doctor...not bitch about people smoking.

I've been seeing doctors about it for years. Not a whole lot I can do, cigarette smoke is one of those things that really sets off my sinuses. It's an extreme case, for sure, but it's irrespectively unhealthy for anyone around smokers even if you want to disregard the unpleasantness. Which again, is putting their own personal state above someone else's. Legally their right, doesn't mean it isn't inconsiderate.

[jdgregory84]

I think it's fairly inconsiderate to do so given the adverse health effects it can inflict on others around you. Sure, it's your choice to if it's allowed and the non-smoker can go somewhere else, but I do think it's fairly inconsiderate for and individual to determine that their need to satisfy their addiction is more important than another individual's desire to see a show without adverse health consequences. It kind of sucks to go see a show and then go home seeing spots and upchucking dinner due to a migraine, but hey, I understand that homeboy needs his fix and can't be bothered to step outside.

Not the government's choice, for sure, but I'd call it inconsiderate without hesitation.

If you're seeing spots and throwing up your dinner, you need to go see a doctor...not bitch about people smoking.

[Fern]

They already kick you out and let you get DWIs and PIs. I remember the good ole' days you could sleep it off on the couch and leave when the sun came up.

ah, yes.

the good ol days (last week) of pitchers, arlington.

[Slowhand]

How is it inconsiderate to smoke where smoking is allowed? It's pretty inconsiderate of you to expect everybody to conform to your idea of living when you're around.

I think it's fairly inconsiderate to do so given the adverse health effects it can inflict on others around you. Sure, it's your choice to if it's allowed and the non-smoker can go somewhere else, but I do think it's fairly inconsiderate for and individual to determine that their need to satisfy their addiction is more important than another individual's desire to see a show without adverse health consequences. It kind of sucks to go see a show and then go home seeing spots and upchucking dinner due to a migraine, but hey, I understand that homeboy needs his fix and can't be bothered to step outside.

Not the government's choice, for sure, but I'd call it inconsiderate without hesitation.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

Not a smoker, but if your in a 51% establisment then yea smoking should be allowed if the establishments owner wants. I also think that if the venue has live music (or dancing), there should be extra ventalation/filtration if its a restaurant I hate the smell of smoke while Im eating

[94form2000z]

What right do you have to come in where I'm already at and start smoking?

Not as personal attack: I could care less what anyone in a smoking establishment (actually at all) thinks. GTFO and go somewhere where all the other stick up there asses people are.

Your health is not my concern, it is yours, so choose where you go by your standards and not mine.