May need a lawyer... DVORCE NEVER ENDS

[SVT Lurch]

There are men out there who pay $800 a month for what is supposed to be half of what it costs to support a child.

We did a loan for an oil & gas executive that paid $10,000/month in child support and $10,000/month in alimony AND he was paying for her $1.2MM house.

[Bassics]

If you are too stupid to figure it out...trying to explain the difference to you would be a waste of my time.



I have no idea what point, if any, you are trying to make here.

Because you are implying that the state is not the people, as if it is some separate entity entirely.

And maybe you can explain how a person's needs vary based on their genetic disposition, ie: who sired them.

You are the ignorant one who can't back up what you stated. Let me paraphrase; you stated that the state is somehow separate from the people. Geographicaly, sure, politically no.

You also stated that a child's needs somehow varied based on the income of their parents. Which taken to the extreme means that what is good enough to sustain a child in poverty is somehow inadequate for a child born into wealth.

Go re-read your own post. You're the one advocating the class warfare. Please lay it all out on the table without backtracking if you think you can.

[V8tt]

I will start this response by saying that not only have you contradicted yourself in a post, but you have tried to use terms in a way that you are apparently unfamiliar with. Class warfare? Really? At no point in my long winded soapbox rant does anything I posted elude to "class warfare". If the simple use of Marx's Bourgeousie vs. Proletariat example was used in such a way as to confuse you. Then I apologize. Here...let me rephrase. Poor and rich cities. Does that take away your thoughts that I was eluding to class warfare? Was it the "vs." that threw you? Sorry for the confusion..I will leave them out next time. Just for your education though...that is how they are referred to when you use them in most contexts...even if you aren't referring to "class warfare". I sure hope this is all making sense...I am not planning on typing this again for the slow kids in the crowd.

Raise your hand Bassics.

Because you are implying that the state is not the people, as if it is some separate entity entirely.

First off...to clarify: He said "One more reason to hate Texas...", to which I replied "Hate on the bureacrats that the VOTERS put into office. Don't hate the State of Texas." To say that you hate the State because of a policy that doesn't work well is like saying that you hate your girlfriend because she has ugly feet. You can't justifiably hate something as complex as the State of Texas over something that YOU may or may not agree with. If this isn't clear enough for you then YOU are the ignorant one. But since you seem like you need this in your life...I will break it down shotgun style for you. Texas encompasses many things. The land, scenery, heritage, history, and yes...people..etc etc etc. I think you get the picture. Maybe. To say that "the state is not the people, as if it is some separate entity" makes you look simple minded. There is so much more to this State than just the people, which is what I eluded to in my response to Lantirn. You took it and put a Fox News spin on it with a retarded attempt at sarcasm. If you need further clarification on this topic reread above.

And maybe you can explain how a person's needs vary based on their genetic disposition, ie: who sired them. You are the ignorant one who can't back up what you stated.

Who said anything about "genetics"? Have you made the erroneous assumption that when I said Hollywood and Compton, you thought in your head White and Black? Lol. Who's the racist in the group?

Go ahead bro. Raise your hand again.

And as far as me backing up what I stated...I feel I backed it all up pretty well. I am sorry that you couldn't understand it, but that is not my fault...blame your parents that probably hung out smoking weed when all that you wanted to do was learn to read.

Let me paraphrase; you stated that the state is somehow separate from the people. Geographicaly, sure, politically no.

THAT'S what I am talking about you retard. THIS is where you contradict yourself. At first you were like , but then you were like . You started off by implying that they weren't separate. "Because you are implying that the state is not the people, as if it is some separate entity entirely." Right there you said it. And then you say "you stated that the state is somehow separate from the people. Geographicaly, sure, politically no." Do you read what you are typing? If you need clarification on how this is a contradiction...there is an awesome book called the dictionary. It should be somewhere between contraceptive (which your parents should have used) and contravene (which is what you are failing at doing here).

You also stated that a child's needs somehow varied based on the income of their parents. Which taken to the extreme means that what is good enough to sustain a child in poverty is somehow inadequate for a child born into wealth.

So then by your assessment...all children from divorced parents should be sustained in poverty? I don't want to spin this so if this isn't what you mean, then please clarify. I will give you my answer when you clear up if this is how you believe...because if it is then you are fucked up in the head and you hate kids.

Go re-read your own post. You're the one advocating the class warfare.

I think YOU should go reread my post. It made perfect sense...well not to you obviously. <-----And yes..if you missed that...it was me calling you stupid. Class warfare? That was covered in the beginning. Go reread it if you missed and/or did not understand it.

Please lay it all out on the table without backtracking if you think you can.

I have done just that. Any other requests?

[Bassics]

You just proved my point.

With a huge waste of bandwidth.

[78X]

so im just thinking out loud here, what if you were to take the kids, out of the country, move there, would that get you out of paying child support?

[talisman]

blah blah blah

What a ridiculous amount of effort to come off looking like a tard.

[davbrucas]

What a ridiculous amount of effort to come off looking like a tard.

Agreed. Does anybody actually know this clown?

[Roscoe]

What a ridiculous amount of effort to come off looking like a tard.

You read it? Was too long winded to me, I figured if I read it I'd be pissed for wasting time reading something that was trying to prove a point I probably wouldn't have agreed with in the first place.

[Roscoe]

We did a loan for an oil & gas executive that paid $10,000/month in child support and $10,000/month in alimony AND he was paying for her $1.2MM house.

No sympathy. It means he makes a fuckload more than that.

[bcoop]

If I were in a situation that my wife and I were separated, I would expect to pay $1k/mo+. Hell, my daycare bill alone for my 4.5yr old daughter is $771/mo on average ($178*52/12). Factor in clothes (which she goes through at a ridiculous rate), food, entertainment, etc - you're looking WELL above $1k/mo in cost to support one child.

Agree to disagree.

Thats why I said "our scenario". My daughter stays with her grandmother during the day @ $400/mo. She eats like a bird, and we very rarely buy clothes. She has a cousin 1 yr older, and we get tons of clothes that way, most of which have never even been worn.

Sure, there are certain scenarios which warrant those amounts. But I'd say they aren't the norm.

[Broncojohnny]

Children DO have standards of living. Example: Let's say a man and a woman are married. They have two kids. He makes 300k, she is a stay at home mom, they live in Trophy Club. The kids are involved in sports, school stuff, etc etc. Mom and Dad divorce. Are you teling me that it is ok that he pays the minimum to "raise a child"? I vehemently disagree with you.

A better question is this: When you say that raising a kid only costs a certain amount...and it surely isn't 1500/month...what are you basing your figures on? I guarantee you that it costs more to raise a child living in Hollywood than it does for one living in Compton (insert your own bourgeousie vs. proletariat cities). If you still disagree based on basic needs (i.e. food, water, clothing from Goodwill) then that sux for the kid. In your stance it doesn't matter what situation the child came from...he gets a certain amount from the father. So a father making 100k should pay the same as one making 25k? Sounds fair to me. Fuck the kids..give em bread and water and dirty used clothes.

Hooray hyperbole! I like how you put all these words in my mouth. I never said any of that shit about everyone paying the same amount. I was just making the case that the amount should probably be capped based on cost of living. I base my numbers on my own children. Do you have children? My son is almost four and he attends a fairly high priced Montessori. Even then, we don't spend $1500 a month to support him.

[Roscoe]

Thats why I said "our scenario". My daughter stays with her grandmother during the day @ $400/mo. She eats like a bird, and we very rarely buy clothes. She has a cousin 1 yr older, and we get tons of clothes that way, most of which have never even been worn.

Sure, there are certain scenarios which warrant those amounts. But I'd say they aren't the norm.

You are (by far) in the minor in that you have a family member watch your kid at a reduced rate and have access to mint condition free clothing.

I do agree that there are limits in which men should have to pay child support, but it's probably on average about $1k/mo.

[Broncojohnny]

If I were in a situation that my wife and I were separated, I would expect to pay $1k/mo+. Hell, my daycare bill alone for my 4.5yr old daughter is $771/mo on average ($178*52/12). Factor in clothes (which she goes through at a ridiculous rate), food, entertainment, etc - you're looking WELL above $1k/mo in cost to support one child.

Agree to disagree.

You got the math wrong. If you expect to pay $1K a month then in theory it costs $2K a month to care for the kid. I'd say over $1K a month is right for a lot of cases, my boy included. But $2K a month all in cost would be ridiculous.

[Bassics]

Holy crap, median wage doesn't bring home more than $2k a month!

Are we a nation of child abusers or something?

Those fucking assholes in Iraq making $17k gross with a couple of kids must be especially heartless! They should take a second job with al qaeda or something, fucking douchebags!

[Cooter]

aaaand, once again I don't want to have kids