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That and you can't fight an enemy you can't identify Exlude. When the enemy blends into the population and can attack and disappear at will you can't win. Check what happened in Vietnam, the American Revolution, Iraq and AFghanistan. They'd have to kill everyone they came across to make sure they got the insurgents. And the laws of war against our own people would be horrendous and rely on soldiers to shoot their own countrymen which we are conditioned against
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Originally posted by Forever_frost View PostI'm pointing out that if things went bad and it was the military versus the citizenry, the citizenry would win every time.
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Originally posted by exlude View PostHow does that counter his point?
He's right, on a kill:death basis...the US handily won/is winning Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan.
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Originally posted by racrguy View PostEven Fox news, who is NOTORIOUS for making things slanted
So are all the rest
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Originally posted by Forever_frost View PostDo you know what the most deadly thing is to an Abrhams tank or any other armored vehicle? Infantry. Guys with rifles and are on foot who use what's at hand.
He's right, on a kill:death basis...the US handily won/is winning Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan.
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Originally posted by onemeangixxer7502 View PostThats stretching it a bit, people in vietnam have been fighting people since who knows when and were dug in. Same thing with the afghani's . Also the kill ratios were very one sided.
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Originally posted by racrguy View PostYet AGAIN we're faced with an issue where you think "Oh they're hating on Christians only." Even Fox news, who is NOTORIOUS for making things slanted, said:
Yes, that explicitly bans the Koran too.
Also, what Rough Customer said.
If families want to bring loved ones bibles, be my guest, there isn't a constitutional amendment barring people from believing certain things, it only forbids the government from getting involved in any way.
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Originally posted by Up0n0ne View PostActually there's a good chance of that happening.Originally posted by Forever_frost View PostYou evidently haven't seen our fight in Vietnam, in Iraq and Afghanistan. Someone who knows their environment is deadly. VERY. Even a loosely organized militia can disassemble a modern military. That's how we beat the British and how we have been hammered in the jungle and desert and mountains.
You're also assuming that the active duty military will not defect and take their weapons, skills and equipment with them, that they'll open fire on their own families and that we don't have prior service military in the civilian populations with armaments that would rival the weapons the government could use. Do you think they'd use cluster bombs and nukes on our own soil?
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Originally posted by Nash B. View PostIt says "religious items," not "Christian religious items."
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Originally posted by talisman View PostI think you're reaching like fucking crazy.
I get what you're saying and I agree the ban was universal. Either way, in the particular case it never should have been implemented in the first place. I'm glad our leaders/politicians are dealing with these important issues, considering there is nothing else going on.
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by Forever_frost View PostSo what you're saying is that because Christians bring their service members a Bible into Walter Reed that it's mentioned and Muslims don't bring a copy of the Koran to their family right Nash? Tell me, what do you think would have been the result if it said (Koran, etc)? Think we'd have several lawsuits by Islamic groups yet?
I think you're reaching like fucking crazy.
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Originally posted by Forever_frost View PostThey literally said "If you are wounded, your family cannot bring you a Bible." A priest can't come in with his, which if I understand correctly, that means there's issues with last rites and so forth.
Again, if the Koran was mentioned explicitly, do you not think the Islamic Council wouldn't have filed several lawsuits and called the military islamophobic?
Originally posted by Fox NewsWalter Reed National Military Medical Center said they are rescinding a policy that prohibits family members of wounded military troops from bringing Bibles or any religious reading materials to their loved ones.
Also, what Rough Customer said.
If families want to bring loved ones bibles, be my guest, there isn't a constitutional amendment barring people from believing certain things, it only forbids the government from getting involved in any way.
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They literally said "If you are wounded, your family cannot bring you a Bible." A priest can't come in with his, which if I understand correctly, that means there's issues with last rites and so forth.
Again, if the Koran was mentioned explicitly, do you not think the Islamic Council wouldn't have filed several lawsuits and called the military islamophobic?
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I do not advocate religion in any form and would love to see it retired voluntarily but denying a soldier (especially a wounded soldier... appalling) access to literature and other comfort items is very wrong.
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