No Bibles at Walter Reed

[Forever_frost]

History:

the soviets tried the "tank rush" several times before learning (at a very high cost) that solitary tanks are extremely vulnerable to infantry. And that was way before the introduction of the Panzerfaust.
The simplest tactic was to throw paint or mud on the tank- blocking the crew's vision. A teller mine or even a couple of tied together hand grenades was enough to rupture a track. Equally effective (but only for the suicidal) was jamming a stone between the track and the wheels- whether it broke or was simply jammed made no difference. once immobile the tank was a dead duck

the germans always accompanied their tank attacks with infantry- and armoured cars (panzergrenadiers). the Polish army in the West formed Dragoon units, and the Soviets formed the "fusiliers" or "awtomatchiki" - essentially light infantry armed with machine pistols who rode into battle on top of the tanks then dismounted to protect them from enemy infantry

[Forever_frost]

What also people are failing to mention if that did happen surrounding countries over there were supporting them with arms and whatever else. We'd basically have to fend for ourselves with what we have. Which wouldn't be rpg's etc etc.

Oh, and getting M79's with HE rounds is actually pretty simple. Merely drive south for a while and then come back. If things are that bad where we're fighting our own military, then running south for a gun run (the opposite of Gun Runner) and for explosives is pretty simple. The Mexican military tends to have US military hardware for sale.

http://www.autoweapons.com/products/destructivedevices.html

[Forever_frost]

Someone with an RPG or other anti armor equivalent. I doubt you'd see many of those in the US. Outside of that, large amounts of explosive...most likely home made like you see in Afghanistan.

Although, in the flatter urban areas...the Dutch were seeing so much success with tanks in Afghanistan that the Marines decided to bring some in.

Actually, you can dig pits and cover it with cover and have the run into it, you can do molitovs which will blind the vehicle, you can do VIEDs and IEDs out of household equipment which can make them jump track. Hell, they spent quite a while in Korea teaching us how to kill tracks. That's why when you watch any tanks or apc's move, they have infantry contingents moving with them to protect them

[mikec]

or Red Dawn

Wolverines! Actually watched that again about a month ago.

Or shove a rock in the barrell like Indy would..

Watched that last week. It's ironic that I really don't watch tv much at all but I have watched those two in the last month.

[mikec]

What also people are failing to mention if that did happen surrounding countries over there were supporting them with arms and whatever else. We'd basically have to fend for ourselves with what we have. Which wouldn't be rpg's etc etc.

Exactly why I asked. We likely would not have access to those kinds of toys.

Sticky bombs. Haven't you seen Saving Private Ryan??

Laughably enough, no. Need to watch it one of these days though. I probably watch the least tv of anyone on this site...

[Chili]

or Red Dawn

Or shove a rock in the barrell like Indy would..

[Nash B.]

Sticky bombs. Haven't you seen Saving Private Ryan??

or Red Dawn

[Chili]

So how could joe blow beat a tank?

Sticky bombs. Haven't you seen Saving Private Ryan??

[onemeangixxer7502]

So how could joe blow beat a tank?

Someone with an RPG or other anti armor equivalent. I doubt you'd see many of those in the US. Outside of that, large amounts of explosive...most likely home made like you see in Afghanistan.

Although, in the flatter urban areas...the Dutch were seeing so much success with tanks in Afghanistan that the Marines decided to bring some in.

What also people are failing to mention if that did happen surrounding countries over there were supporting them with arms and whatever else. We'd basically have to fend for ourselves with what we have. Which wouldn't be rpg's etc etc.

[exlude]

Well, a priest wouldn't be giving the soldier a religius item if he is praying for him. So, that should be okay then, right?

It absolutely is, especially considering the ban has been rescinded.

[line-em-up]

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It says that you can't give the Soldiers religious items, so as long as she doesn't take it off...

Well, a priest wouldn't be giving the soldier a religius item if he is praying for him. So, that should be okay then, right?

[exlude]

So how could joe blow beat a tank?

Someone with an RPG or other anti armor equivalent. I doubt you'd see many of those in the US. Outside of that, large amounts of explosive...most likely home made like you see in Afghanistan.

Although, in the flatter urban areas...the Dutch were seeing so much success with tanks in Afghanistan that the Marines decided to bring some in.

[mikec]

Do you know what the most deadly thing is to an Abrhams tank or any other armored vehicle? Infantry. Guys with rifles and are on foot who use what's at hand.

So how could joe blow beat a tank?

[onemeangixxer7502]

That and you can't fight an enemy you can't identify Exlude. When the enemy blends into the population and can attack and disappear at will you can't win. Check what happened in Vietnam, the American Revolution, Iraq and AFghanistan. They'd have to kill everyone they came across to make sure they got the insurgents. And the laws of war against our own people would be horrendous and rely on soldiers to shoot their own countrymen which we are conditioned against

[exlude]

That and you can't fight an enemy you can't identify Exlude. When the enemy blends into the population and can attack and disappear at will you can't win. Check what happened in Vietnam, the American Revolution, Iraq and AFghanistan. They'd have to kill everyone they came across to make sure they got the insurgents. And the laws of war against our own people would be horrendous and rely on soldiers to shoot their own countrymen which we are conditioned against

You sure can, and we do so very successfully. We would be even more successful if we weren't tied down by a law of war and political climate that forces us to release so many of them. If we were wholeheartedly in this, we could win it. But ever since Vietnam, we haven't been. God knows Afghani insurgents have more heart than most Americans.

The main reason the military wouldn't win at home would be because the military simply disobeys the unlawful orders. A far cry different than the COIN environments in the aforementioned wars.

The American Revolution is a far cry from a similar parallel. Asymmetrical warfare requires considerable logistics to fight due to the enduring nature. Something the Brits did not have.