The token question.

[Vertnut]

When did Obama live in Kansas?

"We're not in Kansas anymore, Toto."

[Woods Racing Transmission]

obama grew up with a white family in kansas....

When did Obama live in Kansas?

[sc281]

I thought they went ahead with that Keystone pipeline? I can't do a thorough surch right now but from CBS.com, august 2011
"The latest posting by the Treasury Department shows the national debt has now increased $4 trillion on President Obama's watch.
The debt was $10.626 trillion on the day Mr. Obama took office. The latest calculation from Treasury shows the debt has now hit $14.639 trillion."

Dude, the debt hit 16 trillion during the democratic national convention.

I understand you are trying to argue your point of view, but you do yourself no service by arguing withincorrect data.

[Vertnut]

I thought they went ahead with that Keystone pipeline? I can't do a thorough surch right now but from CBS.com, august 2011
"The latest posting by the Treasury Department shows the national debt has now increased $4 trillion on President Obama's watch.
The debt was $10.626 trillion on the day Mr. Obama took office. The latest calculation from Treasury shows the debt has now hit $14.639 trillion."

With the commitment to Obama-Care, it's right at $6 trillion.

Barry has "postponed" his final decision on Keystone until 2013. I wonder why?

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I thought they went ahead with that Keystone pipeline? I can't do a thorough surch right now but from CBS.com, august 2011
"The latest posting by the Treasury Department shows the national debt has now increased $4 trillion on President Obama's watch.
The debt was $10.626 trillion on the day Mr. Obama took office. The latest calculation from Treasury shows the debt has now hit $14.639 trillion."

[Vertnut]

Taxes might change, I could see how that could happen but I seriously don't think gas has anything to do with who's in office. Is that why the dollar menu went up in price too? $6 trillion? How much of that 6 trillion was left over from W?

Barry has spent the $6 trillion on his own in his 4 years. Dubya spent $4 trillion in 8 years (both terms). Most of the time, gas prices reflect the energy policy of the administration that's in office. Obama is killing off-shore drilling, pipeline projects (Keystone being the best known), and the coal industry as a whole. Dozens of coal-fired plants have been closed, and the cost of electricity is going up. He doesn't want coal or nuclear plants. What's left? Windmills? Solar? He pumped $500 million in taxpayer money into Solyndra (which failed miserably) and other "green projects", that simply won't work. Dubya did his share of screwing up, but this last 4 years has been a total debacle.

['90Vert]

Is your parents success based on something they did(hard work); or is it because of what the government did?

Obama believes that the government should get the credit. Romney believes your parents should.

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If nothing else, see what you taxes and gas prices do when either is in office, and where that money goes. We've seen a $6 trillion increase in debt in four years, and they've been running without a budget for Barry's entire term.

Taxes might change, I could see how that could happen but I seriously don't think gas has anything to do with who's in office. Is that why the dollar menu went up in price too? $6 trillion? How much of that 6 trillion was left over from W?

[ceyko]

I will say Obama's election matured me quite a bit from a basic understanding of some politics. (Did/would not vote for him - for the record)

I expected CHANGE out of some people. From some people I expected good change and from others I expected negative change. Nothing happened.

I did see heavier than usual lies out of our POTUS and I learned that it depends on perspective. In my eyes it's all the things I generally know and understand that does not involve too many smoke an mirrors. War, basic budget, a POTUS's behavior and Constitutional type issues - Lies. More social programs that will go to shit and drain our money and interfere with the constitution from the start - Truth

In my humble opinion, going forward the USA is going to continue a decline since there are at least 100 issues out there and any single one of them will destroy (already consider us crippled) us long term. The problem is there is no one candidate able to or much less willing to piss off all the easy voters. The various budget, border, welfare, and all the other changes is going to piss off each and every American to some extent. I just don't think ANYONE...

a. Has the trust that any politician doing it is doing it for the best. So everyone (to include me) gets pissed off - at least the way it stands right now.

b. If they do, they can't stand being put out for the better of America.

c. No one can compromise one any one damned topic.

I've also learned that some people will vote to piss away TAX money to help everyone. However, they won't donate shit to any cause, nor do they want accountability for their tax money. They feel everyone is ENTITLED to tax money for as long as it is needed. These were whiteys - for the record. Very hippy feeling and for some reason I was a real asshole for wanting the average American to TRY and work and accountability (for those unable) for all that tax money.

Anyway, Obama did not fix much (if anything) and was a cornerstone in my life from understanding how we work. That's pretty much how I'll remember him. I started off not liking him, but got in his corner after he was elected HOPING he would CHANGE something for the good. Once he burned everyone on that front - there was zero doubt no candidate gives a shit and can change much of anything.

As depressing as this sounds, I sometimes regret having kids that'll live in the US as it is now and especially in the future. We'll see though.

[Vertnut]

Nobody in politics cares about me or you. Especially if you're middle class it seems. Seems to me that the republicans take care of the rich folks , where the dems care more for the poor. In the end, the middle class always loses...

If nothing else, see what you taxes and gas prices do when either is in office, and where that money goes. We've seen a $6 trillion increase in debt in four years, and they've been running without a budget for Barry's entire term.

[Vertnut]

Please don't vote because your parents "put it in your head". Democrats have pandered to the minorities and unions, since Jesus wore short pants. As a union member, why would you vote for the party that allows (and encourages) illegal aliens to work in this country? I've never figured this out. Your own party allows cheap labor to come into this country?
When it comes to minorities, any idea what the unemployment numbers are right now in the black community? It's horrendous. The only thing democrats have done for black folk is to put more of them on government assistance, to ensure they get their vote next time around. Think about all the things Barry promised in '08, and what he's actually done.

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Now, you believing someone like obama is looking out for you is hilarous.

Nobody in politics cares about me or you. Especially if you're middle class it seems. Seems to me that the republicans take care of the rich folks , where the dems care more for the poor. In the end, the middle class always loses...

[FATHERFORD]

My Father put it in my head at a young age, that it made more sense to him to vote for the democratic party because it kept the family out of his pocket, although the republican party would be more beneficial to him.

This just tells me that your father and yourself have no idea how the government works.

Absolutely sickening to me there are people in this country that think as y'all do.

[svauto-erotic855]

obama grew up with a white family in kansas....

That wouldn't be where his wrong way thinking started. His first day in college is where he started down this path to hell. If he simply opened his mouth and publicly said what he truly believes you couldn't even get the blacks to vote for him. My brother went down the same path and is ideologically Obamas twin and it all started the day he hit a college campus.

[Tx Redneck]

I'd like to suggest that you research who was in control of the purse springs when W.J. Clinton was in office, and then look at who took the purse strings in the latter two years when G.W. Bush was POTUS.

Those two should paint a stark contrast of who is really managing, for it is congress who makes the budget and passes it along to the POTUS.