Gun Control Solutions

[Forever_frost]

Fucking pre-crime liberal assholes telling me I can't exercise my rights because somehow they can see that somewhere in the future I may shoot someone for some reason. Could be perfectly justified such as a home invasion, but dammit, they can't have that. You know what? With no background checks, I can go into Tractor Supply and buy a Weedeater with a brush hog attachment, walk into a kindergarden or nursery and go buzzsaw on them. Will I? Fuck no.

Or I could take a truck full of propane tanks and flares and blow the whole thing up. Total cost is less than that of an AR and there is no background check. Or I could rent a fucking plane and fly it into a building. Or take fertilizer and diesel and a U-Haul. You're not preventing someone from killing someone who wants to do it. By arming teachers, you're at least giving those in the school a chance.

[mikec]

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a slam dunk of a post.

[LANTIRN]

You mean you hope the legal gun owners in the house will be cowed by invaders looking to steal from them. Where do you find the authority for anyone to enter my home and check on anything? If you would like to put faces on those police, I can give you news report after report of police mowing down gun owners and home owners who did nothing wrong.

So because I won't let them in, they're going to go tell my neighbors and the NEWS about some BS they think they know about me and slander my name and my standing in the community? Can you say lawsuit?

Do you know how easy it is to get any two shrinks to agree to anything? The DSM 4 is a joke and the DSM 5 is even worse. Everyone can be seen as a threat. Ever been sad? Angry? Danger to yourself and others. This is from someone with severe PTSD and anxiety and hasn't harmed anyone but has been told I may. Who are you to tell me I have to give up a right I fought and bled for? And who is going to pay for these shrinks to see everyone and police to go door to door?

Alternative? The states open up mental health clinics and allow family members to commit their own. No shrinks or police invading your home. No shootouts because I'm seeing Hadji comign through a door. Government is not the answer. Some of us will not disarm when we've done nothing wrong. I've already fought against a tyranical dictator who wanted to enslave his people. I have no problem doing it again.

I hope you're one of the first that go into someone's home telling them you're confiscating their weapons because they MAY do something at some point in the future because some shrinks said so. Fuck that. Fuck you. Come get some.

And you say this isn't a ban and won't be EVERY house? Right, and TSA is meant to only be at the airport, the income tax was meant to be a tax on the 1% at 7% max. The president is MEANT to have limited powers, the federal government is MEANT to be limited by the enumerated powers. You give them ANY power, they run with it.

Government can't seem to figure out how to deport 11 million illegals and you're thinking you're going to send them to 80 million households with 200 million firearms? Idiot.

I think that pretty well sums it up.

[TEAMJACOB]

Now that a few days have passed and things have had time to sink in, I think I have a better assessment of how I feel. I WANT a special law or sanction or and amendment passed that would prevent innocent little 6 and 7 year olds from ever getting murdered like this again. Unfortunately, this is the real world and not some fairy tale. There isn't a god damn thing that can be done to stop these sons of bitches like this. Any laws or bans passed will only infringe on good anerican's civil rights and at BEST, simply alter the who, how, when, and where. Evil men will do there evil.

[Jester]

You mean you hope the legal gun owners in the house will be cowed by invaders looking to steal from them. Where do you find the authority for anyone to enter my home and check on anything? If you would like to put faces on those police, I can give you news report after report of police mowing down gun owners and home owners who did nothing wrong.

So because I won't let them in, they're going to go tell my neighbors and the NEWS about some BS they think they know about me and slander my name and my standing in the community? Can you say lawsuit?

Do you know how easy it is to get any two shrinks to agree to anything? The DSM 4 is a joke and the DSM 5 is even worse. Everyone can be seen as a threat. Ever been sad? Angry? Danger to yourself and others. This is from someone with severe PTSD and anxiety and hasn't harmed anyone but has been told I may. Who are you to tell me I have to give up a right I fought and bled for? And who is going to pay for these shrinks to see everyone and police to go door to door?

Alternative? The states open up mental health clinics and allow family members to commit their own. No shrinks or police invading your home. No shootouts because I'm seeing Hadji comign through a door. Government is not the answer. Some of us will not disarm when we've done nothing wrong. I've already fought against a tyranical dictator who wanted to enslave his people. I have no problem doing it again.

I hope you're one of the first that go into someone's home telling them you're confiscating their weapons because they MAY do something at some point in the future because some shrinks said so. Fuck that. Fuck you. Come get some.

And you say this isn't a ban and won't be EVERY house? Right, and TSA is meant to only be at the airport, the income tax was meant to be a tax on the 1% at 7% max. The president is MEANT to have limited powers, the federal government is MEANT to be limited by the enumerated powers. You give them ANY power, they run with it.

Government can't seem to figure out how to deport 11 million illegals and you're thinking you're going to send them to 80 million households with 200 million firearms? Idiot.

well said

[Forever_frost]

You mean you hope the legal gun owners in the house will be cowed by invaders looking to steal from them. Where do you find the authority for anyone to enter my home and check on anything? If you would like to put faces on those police, I can give you news report after report of police mowing down gun owners and home owners who did nothing wrong.

So because I won't let them in, they're going to go tell my neighbors and the NEWS about some BS they think they know about me and slander my name and my standing in the community? Can you say lawsuit?

Do you know how easy it is to get any two shrinks to agree to anything? The DSM 4 is a joke and the DSM 5 is even worse. Everyone can be seen as a threat. Ever been sad? Angry? Danger to yourself and others. This is from someone with severe PTSD and anxiety and hasn't harmed anyone but has been told I may. Who are you to tell me I have to give up a right I fought and bled for? And who is going to pay for these shrinks to see everyone and police to go door to door?

Alternative? The states open up mental health clinics and allow family members to commit their own. No shrinks or police invading your home. No shootouts because I'm seeing Hadji comign through a door. Government is not the answer. Some of us will not disarm when we've done nothing wrong. I've already fought against a tyranical dictator who wanted to enslave his people. I have no problem doing it again.

I hope you're one of the first that go into someone's home telling them you're confiscating their weapons because they MAY do something at some point in the future because some shrinks said so. Fuck that. Fuck you. Come get some.

And you say this isn't a ban and won't be EVERY house? Right, and TSA is meant to only be at the airport, the income tax was meant to be a tax on the 1% at 7% max. The president is MEANT to have limited powers, the federal government is MEANT to be limited by the enumerated powers. You give them ANY power, they run with it.

Government can't seem to figure out how to deport 11 million illegals and you're thinking you're going to send them to 80 million households with 200 million firearms? Idiot.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

I would hope that the police and a mental health expert approaching the household where a loved one has been deemed a threat to to society will inspire the household to listen to the officials, and take responsibility for the public's safety. This isnt the swat team, this isnt anything more than a a wellness and educational awareness for the household. It may also introduce some venues of help that the household may not be aware of. It _may _ also be a way for the police to view the individual before any event, and allow the faceless police to become humanized. which in itself could possibly prevent any event

You are correct you have the right to privacy when it doesnt involve immanent danger. If you dont want the police in your house then maybe they have to use alternative methods to warn of the threat coming from your household. Such as approaching the neighborhood, or advising the local media, I bet most wont like that publicity. Maybe the police advise the household that if the person does commit a crime then those in household become an accomplice to what ever crimes are committed, due to the household's negligence.

again we are talking about somebody that two mental health professionals feel has become a danger to society. I wouldnt expect this to be anything more than a couple times in a year type of event as the actions would have to be started by mental health official or a councilor.

This isnt done to every gun owner, this isnt meant to be a gun grab, its meant to be preventive, and while it wont stop all gun crime it could stop some of the more senseless gun crime

Here my challenge to those dont like this come up with your own solution to address mental health and availability of fire arms to those individuals (and do it with in a week). Because in 2013 the popular alternative is most likely an AWB , a 'hi cap' mag ban, and possibly a ban on 'military' cal ammo sales to civilians.

[Mach1]

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) on Sunday said he wished the principal of Sandy Hook Elementary had been armed so she could have protected the school when a gunman burst in and started spraying bullets.

“I wish to God she had had an M4 in her office locked up so when she heard gunfire she pulls it out and she didn’t have to lunge heroically with nothing in her hands, when she takes him out, takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids,” Gohmert said on “Fox News Sunday.”

The principal, Dawn Hochsprung, has been credited with running into the hallway toward the shooter once the gunfire sounded at the Newtown, Conn. school. Twenty-six people, including Hochsprung and 20 children, were shot dead.

With a renewed nationwide debate over gun control in the wake of the tragedy, Gohmert said “every mass killing of more than three people in recent history has been in a place where guns were prohibited, except for one…they know no one will be armed.”

Asked by host Chris Wallace why the average person needs access to “weapons created for law enforcement,” Gohmert said it goes back to the country’s founding.

“For the reason that George Washington said, a free people should be an armed people,” Gohmert said. “It ensures against the tyranny of the government if they know that the biggest army is the American people, then you don’t have the tyranny that came from King George.”

Gohmert asked, “once you start drawing the line, where do you stop?”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gop-rep-i-wish-elementary-principal-had-an-m4-in-her-office-takes-his-head-off-before-he-can-kill-those-precious-kids/

Wow, someone has it right....

[LS1Goat]

Such a simple solution to a complex problem.

[Gargamel]

[Forever_frost]

no thanks, Hitler..err, John.

I was doing my best from going reducto-ad-Hilterum

[Jester]

Identify - if somebody is deemed a threat by a mental health official or councilor, then the person becomes temporarily unable to buy firearm because they are deemed temporarily mentally unfit (remember that box you click yes in) for 2 years or court approval.

Evaluate - A court appointed mental health professional / profiler is brought on board so they can make an independent evaluation of the person's intent to harm society. This finalizes the temporary unfit for purchase procedure. That evaluation is made available to leos and placed in some sort of database. Finally the person is classified as possibly armed and dangerous proceed with caution so random traffic stops dont become a bad situation

Preventative - 2 local police detectives and one of the health professionals make a polite introduction to the household and discuss the danger to others assessment. The discussion will include that the individual shouldnt have access to firearms, and that the firearms should have trigger locks, be placed in safes, and and have the code changed so that the individual doesnt have access to them.

If the weapons are not being stored in a safe place on the first visit, the detectives a make a follow up the next day to insure those weapons have become unavailable to the individual, If not then they have to ticket and/or seize the weapons. Anything seized isn't permanent. unless things turn bad, and weapons maybe turned back over to the rightful owners if the detectives verify they have met the safety conditions.

awareness - The local police will advise the the targets of the threat evaluation that they should stay vigilant towards every bodies actions and should act accordingly.

The key is very little changes to gun control laws. While it changes client/patient confidentiality so that an individual can be verified and identified, and hopefully prevent any situations. Its not a perfect system but it beats what exists right now, which is nothing

no thanks, Hitler..err, John.

[sc281]

Had to put this here too.

Interesting:

“With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”

[LANTIRN]

And probably cause a lot of blood spilled.

[Forever_frost]

And be unconstitutional as hell.