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  • Originally posted by racrguy View Post
    The more important question, does the excuse "HE STARTED IT!" work?
    It does in Texas:
    (b) The use of force against another is not justified:
    (1) in response to verbal provocation alone;
    (2) to resist an arrest or search that the actor knows is being made by a peace officer, or by a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction, even though the arrest or search is unlawful, unless the resistance is justified under Subsection (c);
    (3) if the actor consented to the exact force used or attempted by the other;
    (4) if the actor provoked the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force, unless:
    (A) the actor abandons the encounter, or clearly communicates to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing he cannot safely abandon the encounter; and
    (B) the other nevertheless continues or attempts to use unlawful force against the actor; or
    (5) if the actor sought an explanation from or discussion with the other person concerning the actor's differences with the other person while the actor was:
    (A) carrying a weapon in violation of Section 46.02; or
    (B) possessing or transporting a weapon in violation of Section 46.05.
    (c) The use of force to resist an arrest or search is justified:
    (1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search; and
    (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officer's (or other person's) use or attempted use of greater force than necessary.

    (d) The use of deadly force is not justified under this subchapter except as provided in Sections 9.32, 9.33, and 9.34.
    (e) A person who has a right to be present at the location where the force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom the force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the force is used is not required to retreat before using force as described by this section.
    (f) For purposes of Subsection (a), in determining whether an actor described by Subsection (e) reasonably believed that the use of force was necessary, a finder of fact may not consider whether the actor failed to retreat.

    Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994; Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 190, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.
    Amended by:
    Acts 2007, 80th Leg., R.S., Ch. 1, Sec. 2, eff. September 1, 2007.


    Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:
    (1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and
    (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
    (A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
    http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.u...E/htm/PE.9.htm
    Originally posted by Broncojohnny
    HOORAY ME and FUCK YOU!

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    • I know this guy named Tony that made a sweet drone app for my phone.
      I'm about to dispatch it to someone's house!

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      • Confidentiality, motherfucker!
        Originally posted by Broncojohnny
        HOORAY ME and FUCK YOU!

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        • Originally posted by Nash B. View Post
          Confidentiality, motherfucker!
          I never looked up the definition of that word up, fatherfucker.

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          • You won't get a chance to make the case of "he started it" before they call backup and kill you then say you opened fire on them because they were 'on edge' and a 'reasonable officer' would have opened fire on you and when you returned fire, a 'reasonable officer' would view you as a lethal threat.

            Has that defense ever been tried?
            I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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            • Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
              You won't get a chance to make the case of "he started it" before they call backup and kill you then say you opened fire on them because they were 'on edge' and a 'reasonable officer' would have opened fire on you and when you returned fire, a 'reasonable officer' would view you as a lethal threat.

              Has that defense ever been tried?
              I believe the former Marine that tried it from the end of his hallway opposite from a SWAT team. Oh, wait, he never got a shot off and his weapon never came off safe before they dispatched him.
              Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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              • It seems like LAPD is just giving others a reason to join Dorners "cause." Shoot them before they shoot you. Especially if you own a truck.
                "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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                • Time to do like Mother Russia and buy GoPros for the commuter cars...

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                  • Originally posted by Nash B. View Post
                    Men have become the tools of their tools.
                    -Henry David Thoreau

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                    • Yeah, your defense really rests on being able to survive defending yourself against unlawful use of force by police.
                      Originally posted by Broncojohnny
                      HOORAY ME and FUCK YOU!

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                      • If you're not alive to give your defense, they can say you shot first. Hell, even if you are alive, they're still going to say it and unless you're willing to hunker down until the news crew arrives, you're screwed.
                        I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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                        • You're screwed regardless. David Koresh comes to mind...

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                          • Good old Vernon Howell.

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                            • Originally posted by SS Junk View Post
                              You're screwed regardless. David Koresh comes to mind...
                              Also true. If they can't get you, they'll call up the ATF or the FBI. Only stand against them if you're willing to die for your belief.
                              I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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                              • Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                                Also true. If they can't get you, they'll call up the ATF or the FBI. Only stand against them if you're willing to die for your belief.
                                And the fortitude to spend the years after fighting for your freedom if you do survive.

                                I bet Randy Weaver has a lot to say on the subject.
                                Men have become the tools of their tools.
                                -Henry David Thoreau

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