What a dog-rocket of biblical proportions!!

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This is an interesting change in position for you. Normally the vehement constitutionalist...

Be careful! Disagreeing with his view of the constitution is treason!

[exlude]

You really didn't read the law did you? It states that unless you're actually in those branches, you can't wear that uniform. It's under military law because, that's right, it covers military uniforms. Not unconstitutional just as it's not unconstitutional for police arresting me for dressing up like a cop, driving in a squad car and passing myself off as a cop.

That uniform has a recognized meaning and standard behind it. It's federal law. Don't like it? Challenge it in court.

This is an interesting change in position for you. Normally the vehement constitutionalist...

[Forever_frost]

I find it amusing that you find so many other things unconstitutional but in a case where it is a clear 1st amendment issue you don't just because it involves a perceived slight to the military. If he had been saying he was a marine or that he served then you would have some ground to stand on. Just wearing the uniform? Not so much.

You have a right to wear a military uniform with medals? No, you really don't. It's not a first amendment issue as you can wear that uniform as long as it bears no medals, no unit insignia, no name patches, nothing that marks it as a Marine uniform. The fabric isn't the issue. It's what he put on it that is

[racrguy]

let me get this straight.... Some of you guys are actually surprised that 50cent's talentless ass is a worn out piece of road trash? Really?

inorite!

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Let me get this straight.... Some of you guys are actually surprised that 50Cent's talentless ass is a worn out piece of road trash? Really?

[racrguy]

Wrong. This hasn't been tested in court. Stolen Valor WAS shot down. This hasn't. Do try again.

In case you're curious:

The stolen valor act ammended the section with this:

http://www.macvsog.cc/stolen_valor_act.htm

(4) by inserting after subsection (a) the following:
`(b) False Claims About Receipt of Military Medals- Whoever falsely represents himself or herself, verbally or in writing, to have been awarded any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges awarded to the members of such forces, or the ribbon, button, or rosette of any such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable imitation thereof shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.'; and



That part was struck down. The rest of the law still stands. Go look sparky.

Hey cool story, now you've got a useless unenforceable law, like what the politicians did with the front LP issue.

[4eyedwillie]

Wrong. This hasn't been tested in court. Stolen Valor WAS shot down. This hasn't. Do try again.

In case you're curious:

The stolen valor act ammended the section with this:

http://www.macvsog.cc/stolen_valor_act.htm

(4) by inserting after subsection (a) the following:
`(b) False Claims About Receipt of Military Medals- Whoever falsely represents himself or herself, verbally or in writing, to have been awarded any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges awarded to the members of such forces, or the ribbon, button, or rosette of any such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable imitation thereof shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.'; and



That part was struck down. The rest of the law still stands. Go look sparky.

I find it amusing that you find so many other things unconstitutional but in a case where it is a clear 1st amendment issue you don't just because it involves a perceived slight to the military. If he had been saying he was a marine or that he served then you would have some ground to stand on. Just wearing the uniform? Not so much.

[Forever_frost]

Wrong. This hasn't been tested in court. Stolen Valor WAS shot down. This hasn't. Do try again.

In case you're curious:

The stolen valor act ammended the section with this:

http://www.macvsog.cc/stolen_valor_act.htm

(4) by inserting after subsection (a) the following:
`(b) False Claims About Receipt of Military Medals- Whoever falsely represents himself or herself, verbally or in writing, to have been awarded any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges awarded to the members of such forces, or the ribbon, button, or rosette of any such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable imitation thereof shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.'; and



That part was struck down. The rest of the law still stands. Go look sparky.

[racrguy]

Where would you have them put this law? From what I see, it applies to everyone trying to put on that uniform. If you're going to wear BDU's with no name tapes or patches, that's not an issue. When you wear something easily identifiable as a branch, there's a problem.

Actually, it doesn't. You have no right to dress as a member of the armed forces. Freedom of expression doesn't apply. He not only wore the uniform, look at those medals.


Title 18 United States Code

Sec. 702. Uniform of the armed services and Public Health Service

Whoever, in any place within the jurisdiction of the United States or in the Canal Zone, without authority, wears the uniform, or a distinctive part thereof or anything similar to a distinctive part of the uniform of any of the armed services of the United States, Public Health Service or any auxiliary of such, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

Sec. 704. Military Medals or Decorations

(a) In General. - Whoever knowingly wears, manufactures, or sells any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges awarded to the members of such forces, or the ribbon, button, or rosette of any such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable imitation thereof, except when authorized under regulations made pursuant to law, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

(b) Congressional Medal of Honor. - (The FBI takes this quite seriously) SLW

(1) In general. - If a decoration or medal involved in an offense under subsection (a) is a Congressional Medal of Honor, in lieu of the punishment provided in that subsection, the offender shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

(2) Definitions. - (A) As used in subsection (a) with respect to a Congressional Medal of Honor, "sells" includes trades, barters, or exchanges for anything of value.

(B) As used in this subsection, "Congressional Medal of Honor" means a medal awarded under section 2741, 6241 or 8741 of Title 10.

Author's commentary:

Regarding 18 U.S.C. Sec. 702 and 704(a):

18 U.S.C. Sec. 3559(a)(7) provides that an offense having a maximum assessable term of confinement of more than 30 days and less than 6 months is a Class B misdemeanor.

18 U.S.C. Sec. 3571(b)(6) provides that the maximum fine for a Class B misdemeanor not resulting in death is $5,000 per count on which the Defendant is convicted.

Regarding 18 U.S.C. Sec. 704(b):

18 U.S.C. Sec. 3559(a)(6) provides that an offense having a maximum assessable term of confinement of more than six months and less than one year is a Class A misdemeanor.

18 U.S.C. Sec. 3571(b)(5) provides that the maximum fine for a Class A misdemeanor not resulting in death is $100,000 per count on which the Defendant is convicted.

Uhhhhhhh, the SCOTUS just shot down the Stolen Valor act under freedom of expression and it was the same stuff you're posting here.

[Forever_frost]

Where would you have them put this law? From what I see, it applies to everyone trying to put on that uniform. If you're going to wear BDU's with no name tapes or patches, that's not an issue. When you wear something easily identifiable as a branch, there's a problem.

Actually, it doesn't. You have no right to dress as a member of the armed forces. Freedom of expression doesn't apply. He not only wore the uniform, look at those medals.


Title 18 United States Code

Sec. 702. Uniform of the armed services and Public Health Service

Whoever, in any place within the jurisdiction of the United States or in the Canal Zone, without authority, wears the uniform, or a distinctive part thereof or anything similar to a distinctive part of the uniform of any of the armed services of the United States, Public Health Service or any auxiliary of such, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

Sec. 704. Military Medals or Decorations

(a) In General. - Whoever knowingly wears, manufactures, or sells any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges awarded to the members of such forces, or the ribbon, button, or rosette of any such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable imitation thereof, except when authorized under regulations made pursuant to law, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

(b) Congressional Medal of Honor. - (The FBI takes this quite seriously) SLW

(1) In general. - If a decoration or medal involved in an offense under subsection (a) is a Congressional Medal of Honor, in lieu of the punishment provided in that subsection, the offender shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

(2) Definitions. - (A) As used in subsection (a) with respect to a Congressional Medal of Honor, "sells" includes trades, barters, or exchanges for anything of value.

(B) As used in this subsection, "Congressional Medal of Honor" means a medal awarded under section 2741, 6241 or 8741 of Title 10.

Author's commentary:

Regarding 18 U.S.C. Sec. 702 and 704(a):

18 U.S.C. Sec. 3559(a)(7) provides that an offense having a maximum assessable term of confinement of more than 30 days and less than 6 months is a Class B misdemeanor.

18 U.S.C. Sec. 3571(b)(6) provides that the maximum fine for a Class B misdemeanor not resulting in death is $5,000 per count on which the Defendant is convicted.

Regarding 18 U.S.C. Sec. 704(b):

18 U.S.C. Sec. 3559(a)(6) provides that an offense having a maximum assessable term of confinement of more than six months and less than one year is a Class A misdemeanor.

18 U.S.C. Sec. 3571(b)(5) provides that the maximum fine for a Class A misdemeanor not resulting in death is $100,000 per count on which the Defendant is convicted.

[4eyedwillie]

You really didn't read the law did you? It states that unless you're actually in those branches, you can't wear that uniform. It's under military law because, that's right, it covers military uniforms. Not unconstitutional just as it's not unconstitutional for police arresting me for dressing up like a cop, driving in a squad car and passing myself off as a cop.

That uniform has a recognized meaning and standard behind it. It's federal law. Don't like it? Challenge it in court.

EXCEPT that military law ONLY applies to people that are actually IN the military douche bag!
According to you if any law isn't expressly spelled out in the constitution it's unconstitutional. Even if you recognize in this one instance that congress can pass a law unless it violates one of the other articles, this one does violate amendment 1 of the Bill of Rights. It's called freedom of expression.
I can dress as a cop all I want, I just can't pass myself off as a cop. He didn't say he was a marine he just wore the uniform.

[Forever_frost]

That's UNCONSTITUTIONAL! And since he's not in the military he doesn't fall under military law (see highlight)

You really didn't read the law did you? It states that unless you're actually in those branches, you can't wear that uniform. It's under military law because, that's right, it covers military uniforms. Not unconstitutional just as it's not unconstitutional for police arresting me for dressing up like a cop, driving in a squad car and passing myself off as a cop.

That uniform has a recognized meaning and standard behind it. It's federal law. Don't like it? Challenge it in court.

[SS Junk]

There's that L word... Hardly.

Self-loathing cocksucker then. Yes, liberal too. Most hard core liberals love to deny they are indeed liberals. They fully believe they are rugged individualists when in all actuality they all mouth the same related sputum you've done so eloquently past and present. Shut the fuck up and take your title like the woman you are.

To someone who called me a douche, no civility is warranted.

You are too good to be called a douche. You are nothing more than the vagina gravy that is expulsed from said douche.

[racrguy]

A simple "You're welcome" would have been adequate

To someone who called me a douche, no civility is warranted.

You never served so you have no direct experience whatsoever with the military.

I am friends with a guy who runs in the 9's in his street car so I am an expert on all things racing.... same mentality

Who said they were an expert? Surely not me. But to say that one who was experienced to it regularly doesn't have an idea what they're talking about is incorrect.

[DallasSleeper]

I know his angle, he was going to attempt to dismiss what I was saying because he thought I had no experience whatsoever with the military.

You never served so you have no direct experience whatsoever with the military.

I am friends with a guy who runs in the 9's in his street car so I am an expert on all things racing.... same mentality