Sooooooo.

[YALE]

The burn would be bad, if any of that was accurate representation of the situation. I stole her from the walrus, but it turned out she was psycho anyways.

Fair enough. I'm just taking a cheap shot.

I think people are missing that i support abortion, I just don't like how only one person has one say in the entire matter, and the male is left with absolutely no power at all.

If the guy wants abortion, but the woman doesn't, he's fucked for 18 years of child support. If the woman wants one, but the guy doesn't, he's fucked out of a child he'd want to raise.

Properly, a guy can sign away his rights, if he wants. He doesn't have to pay child support.

[racrguy]

Was going mostly off of what a few friends in the medical community brought up while talking about it. Honestly I could care less if someone wants to abort a child that I would have to pay to raise.

You should read the whole bill. The entirety of the part of the bill dealing with "closet abortions" is as follows:

SECTION 4. Section 245.010(a), Health and Safety Code, is amended to read as follows:
(a) The rules must contain minimum standards to protect the health and safety of a patient of an abortion facility and must contain provisions requiring compliance with the requirements of Subchapter B, Chapter 171. On and after September 1, 2014, the minimum standards for an abortion facility must be equivalent to the minimum standards adopted under Section 243.010 for ambulatory surgical centers.

What they're saying here is it has to be performed in a building that has an ER.

Here's the whole bill. http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodo...f/SB00005I.pdf

[CexMashean]

I don't understand why you're worried about this. Here I thought you'd be more concerned with walrus lesbians that steal girlfriends. It seems to me that's a bigger problem for you. You should call your state rep about that shit.

The burn would be bad, if any of that was accurate representation of the situation. I stole her from the walrus, but it turned out she was psycho anyways.

I think people are missing that i support abortion, I just don't like how only one person has one say in the entire matter, and the male is left with absolutely no power at all.

If the guy wants abortion, but the woman doesn't, he's fucked for 18 years of child support. If the woman wants one, but the guy doesn't, he's fucked out of a child he'd want to raise.

Being that an embryo can't make decisions, then yes, she gets the say of all 3. Also, an embryo is not a life. It is her body, which means you have no say. Even if she was your wife, you have no say. It is the way it is. Now, don't be an idiot.

I like how you've learned to measure where life starts. You should write a paper.

[YALE]

Cool beans bro.

I don't understand why you're worried about this. Here I thought you'd be more concerned with walrus lesbians that steal girlfriends. It seems to me that's a bigger problem for you. You should call your state rep about that shit.

[aggie97]

Also: have you actually read the bill?

Was going mostly off of what a few friends in the medical community brought up while talking about it. Honestly I could care less if someone wants to abort a child that I would have to pay to raise.

[bcoop]

So it's not reasonable to think that more than one person should be involved in the decision?
Got'cha. That's why we're not going to agree, and because of that, my reasoning will never seem "good" to you. It's the difference of opinion that makes it seem that way. One person has the ultimate say in the decision making of no less than three individual lives. That is why I feel it is not solely up to that one person.
Since you do not agree with that opinion, my reasoning will never be "good".

Being that an embryo can't make decisions, then yes, she gets the say of all 3. Also, an embryo is not a life. It is her body, which means you have no say. Even if she was your wife, you have no say. It is the way it is. Now, don't be an idiot.

[CexMashean]

Cool beans bro.

[racrguy]

So it's not reasonable to think that more than one person should be involved in the decision?
Got'cha. That's why we're not going to agree, and because of that, my reasoning will never seem "good" to you. It's the difference of opinion that makes it seem that way.

Now you're ignoring what I've said in this very thread.

Hey man, quit being a fucking idiot.

[CexMashean]

I not saying you need to have the same point of view as me. I am saying that you at least need to have good reasoning when you come to your own conclusion.

So it's not reasonable to think that more than one person should be involved in the decision?
Got'cha. That's why we're not going to agree, and because of that, my reasoning will never seem "good" to you. It's the difference of opinion that makes it seem that way. One person has the ultimate say in the decision making of no less than three individual lives. That is why I feel it is not solely up to that one person.
Since you do not agree with that opinion, my reasoning will never be "good".

[racrguy]

Sorry, I'm not going to agree with your point of view.

I not saying you need to have the same point of view as me. I am saying that you at least need to have good reasoning when you come to your own conclusion.

[CexMashean]

Try harder.

Sorry, I'm not going to agree with your point of view.

[racrguy]

But the woman gets the vote of all three involved.
Got it.

Hey man. Quit being a fucking idiot. Try really hard. I think you can do it.

Try harder.

[CexMashean]

You don't get to choose for everyone, Mr. Bloomberg.

But the woman gets the vote of all three involved.
Got it.

[racrguy]

What's so hard to understand about it? It's called personal responsibility.

The bill honestly wasn't a big deal. It was going to set proper standards for abortion clinics and hold them to medical facility standards to protect the patients so women weren't going into a closet and getting cleaned out. What I find funny is that all these people bitch about having to abort a fetus after 20 weeks....that's 5 months of pregnancy. The BABY is already moving and kicking at that point. another thing I can't tolerate is if you are raped, there is the morning after pill which could be prescribed as part of a "rape kit" at the hospital. There is so much Stupid included in the arguments posted in the media it seems any level headed legislation is doomed from minute 1 because someone has to get all emotional about it. Remove the emotion and shit gets done.

Also: have you actually read the bill?

[YALE]

What's so hard to understand about it? It's called personal responsibility.

The bill honestly wasn't a big deal. It was going to set proper standards for abortion clinics and hold them to medical facility standards to protect the patients so women weren't going into a closet and getting cleaned out. What I find funny is that all these people bitch about having to abort a fetus after 20 weeks....that's 5 months of pregnancy. The BABY is already moving and kicking at that point. another thing I can't tolerate is if you are raped, there is the morning after pill which could be prescribed as part of a "rape kit" at the hospital. There is so much Stupid included in the arguments posted in the media it seems any level headed legislation is doomed from minute 1 because someone has to get all emotional about it. Remove the emotion and shit gets done.

You can't make the argument that personal responsibility should determine someone's behavior, and then turn around and take the choice away from them. Also, the vast majority of time a woman decides to terminate a pregnancy, it isn't likely to be in the best of personal circumstances.