Sooooooo.

[racrguy]

I swear no one reads anything before responding any more. Half the "points" some of you are making have been covered and countered or affirmed already.

Typical debate tactic, ignore answers and restate them in hopes that you'll get the answer you want.

I swear no one reads anything before responding any more. Half the "points" some of you are making have been covered and countered or affirmed already.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Truth. It can be argued either way. I have personally known of several cases, my roommate was able to sign his over with the mother's permission, since the mother was of a very wealthy family she didn't want child support, so they signed an out of court agreement and he signed over eliminating himself from financial ties. It worked out famously.

I also had a friend who knocked a chick up, and she told him he had an abortion. She had the kid, and then took him to court for child support, but was claiming he shouldn't have custody or visitation because he agreed that she should abort. He was allowed by the court to waive all rights and responsibilities, against her will.

[Woods Racing Transmission]

news flash: you can sign over your rights at any time.

I think he is referring to financial responsibilities/rights.

[CexMashean]

news flash: you can sign over your rights at any time.

Assuming she agrees to it, and doesn't try to bone you for child support instead.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Why must my only option be to force her to have an abortion? Why can't I simply say I have opted for it, but due to her rejection of the idea, I would like to sign over all legal right and responsibilities of the child to the mother who has chose to birth?

I feel that is a fair compromise. The woman wanting the abortion simply because she was too stupid to ensure the use of any form of birth control should not be given sole decision making rights. She's already proven she isn't capable of making responsible ones.
If the father wants the child, she should have to carry it to term, birth, and sign it over.
Don't want to go through all that hassle? Be a fucking responsible individual and prevent it from ever getting that far. Take some fucking accountability for your actions at least once.

news flash: you can sign over your rights at any time.

[CexMashean]

Well, if you force a woman to have an abortion, and then she is sterile afterwards (it happens) then we are talking about the same thing, essentially.

Why must my only option be to force her to have an abortion? Why can't I simply say I have opted for it, but due to her rejection of the idea, I would like to sign over all legal right and responsibilities of the child to the mother who has chose to birth?

I feel that is a fair compromise. The woman wanting the abortion simply because she was too stupid to ensure the use of any form of birth control should not be given sole decision making rights. She's already proven she isn't capable of making responsible ones.
If the father wants the child, she should have to carry it to term, birth, and sign it over.
Don't want to go through all that hassle? Be a fucking responsible individual and prevent it from ever getting that far. Take some fucking accountability for your actions at least once.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Yes, it is that different in this context.
Telling someone to have preventitive measure before sex does not equal telling someone to kill a child your sperm created.

Telling me to have a vasectomy would be like me telling you to have laparascopy.

Well, if you force a woman to have an abortion, and then she is sterile afterwards (it happens) then we are talking about the same thing, essentially.

[CexMashean]

It's really not much different. It's telling someone else what they can do with their body. Common sense dictates you should have the "what would you do if" conversation with a partner before having sex, since nothing is 100%, short of a hysterectomy. If you don't like her answer to the would be fate of your offspring, you probably shouldn't stick your dick in her.

Yes, it is that different in this context.
Telling someone to have preventitive measure before sex does not equal telling someone to kill a child your sperm created.

Telling me to have a vasectomy would be like me telling you to have laparascopy.

[Woods Racing Transmission]

1.3% in 2009

If that is true I really don't see a problem telling 1.3% of women that have abortions, that they need to make up her mind before 20 weeks.

[NoClassic]

SB 5 is written by Republican state senator Glenn Hagar and would make most (it does have exceptions like health of the mother, rape, ect...)abortion illegal after 20 weeks. It would also establish requirements for abortion facilities, which supporters say would make the procedures safer for women and their unborn babies.

What is wrong with having safer places to have the procedure done at.

20 weeks is more than 1/2 way thru the pregnancy. One would think that the decision to abort after a rape would be made long before 20 weeks.

At what point does the baby get the right to live?

I'm not for abortion but I'm also not for government telling a Woman she can't have one. But really how many Women wake up at 21 weeks and decide to have one?

1.3% in 2009

[Treasure Chest]

Not only is that retarded and apples/oranges, you should have to courage to tell someone that before it becomes an issue.

It's really not much different. It's telling someone else what they can do with their body. Common sense dictates you should have the "what would you do if" conversation with a partner before having sex, since nothing is 100%, short of a hysterectomy. If you don't like her answer to the would be fate of your offspring, you probably shouldn't stick your dick in her.

[Woods Racing Transmission]

SB 5 is written by Republican state senator Glenn Hagar and would make most (it does have exceptions like health of the mother, rape, ect...)abortion illegal after 20 weeks. It would also establish requirements for abortion facilities, which supporters say would make the procedures safer for women and their unborn babies.

What is wrong with having safer places to have the procedure done at.

20 weeks is more than 1/2 way thru the pregnancy. One would think that the decision to abort after a rape would be made long before 20 weeks.

At what point does the baby get the right to live?

I'm not for abortion but I'm also not for government telling a Woman she can't have one. But really how many Women wake up at 21 weeks and decide to have one?

[stevo]

Technically, it isn't the father's child. Once you conceive your first child, and carry it for 9 months, you might have a point.

Tell that to the courts.

Stevo

[CexMashean]

Should I be able to force you into having a vasectomy if I don't want to make babies with you?

Not only is that retarded and apples/oranges, you should have to courage to tell someone that before it becomes an issue.