Sooooooo.

[EW]

It's not only her child.
I don't understand how you can possibly think you can tell a father "Sorry, IT WAS NEVER YOURS BRO!"

If a woman does not want to have your baby, find another woman who will. Big whoop.

[Treasure Chest]

It's not only her child.
I don't understand how you can possibly think you can tell a father "Sorry, IT WAS NEVER YOURS BRO!"

Should I be able to force you into having a vasectomy if I don't want to make babies with you?

[Gargamel]

Looking at the details of the bill, I agree it was a bad bill.

But if it was specifically a ban on abortions after 20 weeks (with exceptions of rape and health), I would be for it.

I cannot understand how someone could not figure out if they were prepared to have a child within 5 months.... that's a long fucking time.

[jdgregory84]

Goddammit. Now I won't even be able to walk down the street without stepping on a dead baby!

[CexMashean]

Should I be able to force you into having a vasectomy if I don't want to make babies with you?

Not only is that retarded and apples/oranges, you should have to courage to tell someone that before it becomes an issue.

[stevo]

Technically, it isn't the father's child. Once you conceive your first child, and carry it for 9 months, you might have a point.

Tell that to the courts.

Stevo

[Woods Racing Transmission]

SB 5 is written by Republican state senator Glenn Hagar and would make most (it does have exceptions like health of the mother, rape, ect...)abortion illegal after 20 weeks. It would also establish requirements for abortion facilities, which supporters say would make the procedures safer for women and their unborn babies.

What is wrong with having safer places to have the procedure done at.

20 weeks is more than 1/2 way thru the pregnancy. One would think that the decision to abort after a rape would be made long before 20 weeks.

At what point does the baby get the right to live?

I'm not for abortion but I'm also not for government telling a Woman she can't have one. But really how many Women wake up at 21 weeks and decide to have one?

[Treasure Chest]

Not only is that retarded and apples/oranges, you should have to courage to tell someone that before it becomes an issue.

It's really not much different. It's telling someone else what they can do with their body. Common sense dictates you should have the "what would you do if" conversation with a partner before having sex, since nothing is 100%, short of a hysterectomy. If you don't like her answer to the would be fate of your offspring, you probably shouldn't stick your dick in her.

[NoClassic]

SB 5 is written by Republican state senator Glenn Hagar and would make most (it does have exceptions like health of the mother, rape, ect...)abortion illegal after 20 weeks. It would also establish requirements for abortion facilities, which supporters say would make the procedures safer for women and their unborn babies.

What is wrong with having safer places to have the procedure done at.

20 weeks is more than 1/2 way thru the pregnancy. One would think that the decision to abort after a rape would be made long before 20 weeks.

At what point does the baby get the right to live?

I'm not for abortion but I'm also not for government telling a Woman she can't have one. But really how many Women wake up at 21 weeks and decide to have one?

1.3% in 2009

[Woods Racing Transmission]

1.3% in 2009

If that is true I really don't see a problem telling 1.3% of women that have abortions, that they need to make up her mind before 20 weeks.

[CexMashean]

It's really not much different. It's telling someone else what they can do with their body. Common sense dictates you should have the "what would you do if" conversation with a partner before having sex, since nothing is 100%, short of a hysterectomy. If you don't like her answer to the would be fate of your offspring, you probably shouldn't stick your dick in her.

Yes, it is that different in this context.
Telling someone to have preventitive measure before sex does not equal telling someone to kill a child your sperm created.

Telling me to have a vasectomy would be like me telling you to have laparascopy.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Yes, it is that different in this context.
Telling someone to have preventitive measure before sex does not equal telling someone to kill a child your sperm created.

Telling me to have a vasectomy would be like me telling you to have laparascopy.

Well, if you force a woman to have an abortion, and then she is sterile afterwards (it happens) then we are talking about the same thing, essentially.

[CexMashean]

Well, if you force a woman to have an abortion, and then she is sterile afterwards (it happens) then we are talking about the same thing, essentially.

Why must my only option be to force her to have an abortion? Why can't I simply say I have opted for it, but due to her rejection of the idea, I would like to sign over all legal right and responsibilities of the child to the mother who has chose to birth?

I feel that is a fair compromise. The woman wanting the abortion simply because she was too stupid to ensure the use of any form of birth control should not be given sole decision making rights. She's already proven she isn't capable of making responsible ones.
If the father wants the child, she should have to carry it to term, birth, and sign it over.
Don't want to go through all that hassle? Be a fucking responsible individual and prevent it from ever getting that far. Take some fucking accountability for your actions at least once.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Why must my only option be to force her to have an abortion? Why can't I simply say I have opted for it, but due to her rejection of the idea, I would like to sign over all legal right and responsibilities of the child to the mother who has chose to birth?

I feel that is a fair compromise. The woman wanting the abortion simply because she was too stupid to ensure the use of any form of birth control should not be given sole decision making rights. She's already proven she isn't capable of making responsible ones.
If the father wants the child, she should have to carry it to term, birth, and sign it over.
Don't want to go through all that hassle? Be a fucking responsible individual and prevent it from ever getting that far. Take some fucking accountability for your actions at least once.

news flash: you can sign over your rights at any time.

[CexMashean]

news flash: you can sign over your rights at any time.

Assuming she agrees to it, and doesn't try to bone you for child support instead.