18-21 year olds to purchase handguns?

[Forever_frost]

As anti-gov't/pro constitution as I am even I think firearms training/licensing requirements should be a thing.

No one ever accidentally killed a loved one while at the voting booth. Not quite the same thing.

If it's anything like getting a driver's license it won't be that strict anyways.

HOWEVER, I do think it would be a scary door to open, especially in this post 9/11 world.
"Yes citizen your government offers comprehensive firearms training and licensing, you of course will have to submit to all searches of yourself and property including but not limited to your body cavities, family members body cavities, without the requirement of a warrant in perpetuity, you will need all weapons registered and inspected annually, and of course there are the fees required for each weapon's registration/inspection, permit to buy ammunition for each weapon, permit to carry each weapon, permit to fire each weapon, you understand of course it's for your own safety and well because terrorism."

I disagree. That voting booth caused an American citizen to be executed without due process. That's just the most direct death caused by the voting booth. What authority would the government have to make any licensing or require training over the Bill of Rights? What article and Section?

[Forever_frost]

You two may think differently if you were in a situation where someone was practicing their fundamental constitutional rights by being a completely incapable, inexperienced CCW permit holding moron and accidentally shot you or yours.

No I wouldn't. I am deeply offended by people burning and stomping on the flag but I support their right to do it. The rights didn't injure me, the person did.

[SS Junk]

I see your point, but doesn't change my mind. I had to take a hunters/gun safety course in order to purchase a hunting license in Colorado. Same should apply for purchasing firearms IMO.

[Forever_frost]

Do you have to take a voter's safety course? What about a course that you have to take before you can refuse to have soldiers quartered in your home? What about before you can criticize the government or post online? Which other rights would you be okay with licensing before you can use them?

[SS Junk]

Easy now, killer. What you mention has nothing to do with an ignorant fool having the ability to kill you or any of your family instantly. Don't you have to take a weapons safety/training/class/course to obtain a Texas conceal carry permit?

[ceyko]

Easy now, killer. What you mention has nothing to do with an ignorant fool having the ability to kill you or any of your family instantly. Don't you have to take a weapons safety/training/class/course to obtain a Texas conceal carry permit?

Yes and get a hunting license. Hunter's Ed. is once and done...the CHL is every so often.

I personally think the training is beneficial, but understand it not being constitutional. I saw some dip shits in both "classes" that training most likely would not help anyway.

[SS Junk]

Yes and get a hunting license. Hunter's Ed. is once and done...the CHL is every so often.

I personally think the training is beneficial, but understand it not being constitutional. I saw some dip shits in both "classes" that training most likely would not help anyway.

Probably not, but the training I have received from the classes I have taken were beneficial even though I've been around guns from an early age. I still have good faith there are more willing to learn than not. I think TX is doing it right. Here in VA, not so much.

[Cobraman]

Easy now, killer. What you mention has nothing to do with an ignorant fool having the ability to kill you or any of your family instantly. Don't you have to take a weapons safety/training/class/course to obtain a Texas conceal carry permit?

An ignorant fool with no firearms experience probably won't be able to effectively put rounds on target anyways.

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[dee]

An ignorant fool with no firearms experience probably won't be able to effectively put rounds on target anyways.

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Just because the fool can't hit what their aiming at doesn't mean it won't hit anything or anyone else.

[David]

It should just be 18 for anything across the board. Or make 21 the new legal age and use that across the board.

[SS Junk]

An ignorant fool with no firearms experience probably won't be able to effectively put rounds on target anyways.

Exactly. Odds are more likely they'll put rounds through everything but their intended target.

[Forever_frost]

Easy now, killer. What you mention has nothing to do with an ignorant fool having the ability to kill you or any of your family instantly. Don't you have to take a weapons safety/training/class/course to obtain a Texas conceal carry permit?

An ignorant fool can instantly kill me with his mom's car, or with a propane tank and a road flare, or a knife. He can steal my liberty at the ballot box, scream racist comments in a public square, can file false police reports that send SWAT to my home, all with rights that you aren't talking about taking away.

Constitution is clear, government has no authority to declare I have to pass a test to exercise my right.

[SS Junk]

Constitution is clear, government has no authority to declare I have to pass a test to exercise my right.

You can say that all day long, but Texas residents still, from what I understand, have to take a safety course before being eligible for a conceal carry permit. That is the right way to go about it. Again, I would put money on the fact you would be singing a different tune if you were shot by someone who had no prior gun training while they were trying to protect themselves, or worse yet, shot and kill a family member of yours due to their neglect. You can't say what you'd do or how you would react in that case before it happens. How about being required to take a safety course once a firearm is purchased and not having to take a safety course for a CCW permit?

[Forever_frost]

You can say that all day long, but Texas residents still, from what I understand, have to take a safety course before being eligible for a conceal carry permit. That is the right way to go about it. Again, I would put money on the fact you would be singing a different tune if you were shot by someone who had no prior gun training while they were trying to protect themselves, or worse yet, shot and kill a family member of yours due to their neglect. You can't say what you'd do or how you would react in that case before it happens. How about being required to take a safety course once a firearm is purchased and not having to take a safety course for a CCW permit?

For a concealed carry permit yes. To own one? Not at all. To carry one in your vehicle? Still no. To buy ammo for one? Nope.

I was shot by someone without prior gun training while they were trying to protect themselves. Want to try another emotional ploy? My answer doesn't change. The constitution is clear and doesn't change because of emotional pleas. You do not like it, call an Article 5 convention

[SS Junk]

For a concealed carry permit yes. To own one? Not at all. To carry one in your vehicle? Still no. To buy ammo for one? Nope.

I was shot by someone without prior gun training while they were trying to protect themselves. Want to try another emotional ploy? My answer doesn't change. The constitution is clear and doesn't change because of emotional pleas. You do not like it, call an Article 5 convention

You were shot during wartime. Not walking down the street or at your local convenience store. Big difference.