Insane Clown Posse and ACLU sue FBI

[stevo]

I read the thread before posting. That doesn't change that the estimated 1.4 million gang member estimate is from the report and it states the methodology and criteria used to determine how it got it's estimation

However, considering that, the FBI report states that most Juggalo-related crime is "sporadic, disorganized, individualistic" and involves "simple assault, personal drug use and possession, petty theft and vandalism." A subset of the Juggalo community have been known to engage in felony assaults, robberies and drug dealing. The threat assessment also indicates that many Juggalos are transient or homeless individuals. It also states that been classified as a gang for exhibiting gang-like behavior and criminal activity in Arizona, California, Pennsylvania and Utah. Nor does it ever state how many of the subset of Juggalos are participating in the criminal gang-like activity.

By their criteria of what is a gang, that subset is a gang. It's just a gang that goes by the same name a larger community uses.

Is it right that the community as a whole is scrutinized for it? No. That, however, doesn't change the fact that, by the evidence that the FBI collected, the subset of Juggalos are a gang in the criminal sense and have the same name, identifying marks, and social groups as a larger subset of people.

It doesn't work that way, and I am surprised you would attempt to claim it such.

Stevo

[Maddhattter]

Yes, and if you would have been following along in this thread, or even read the opening post, you would see that they are giving the label to people who clearly are not engaging in organized gang activity, as per their own requirements, which they clearly admitted in the lawsuit mentioned in the first post.

Try to keep up.

Stevo

I read the thread before posting. That doesn't change that the estimated 1.4 million gang member estimate is from the report and it states the methodology and criteria used to determine how it got it's estimation

However, considering that, the FBI report states that most Juggalo-related crime is "sporadic, disorganized, individualistic" and involves "simple assault, personal drug use and possession, petty theft and vandalism." A subset of the Juggalo community have been known to engage in felony assaults, robberies and drug dealing. The threat assessment also indicates that many Juggalos are transient or homeless individuals. It also states that been classified as a gang for exhibiting gang-like behavior and criminal activity in Arizona, California, Pennsylvania and Utah. Nor does it ever state how many of the subset of Juggalos are participating in the criminal gang-like activity.

By their criteria of what is a gang, that subset is a gang. It's just a gang that goes by the same name a larger community uses.

Is it right that the community as a whole is scrutinized for it? No. That, however, doesn't change the fact that, by the evidence that the FBI collected, the subset of Juggalos are a gang in the criminal sense and have the same name, identifying marks, and social groups as a larger subset of people.

[racrguy]

Yes, and if you would have been following along in this thread, or even read the opening post, you would see that they are giving the label to people who clearly are not engaging in organized gang activity, as per their own requirements, which they clearly admitted in the lawsuit mentioned in the first post.

Try to keep up.

Stevo

They aren't smart enough to figure that out.

[stevo]

The estimation was derived from the 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment emerging trends report completed by the FBI.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment

The methodology used is presented in the report as well.

Yes, and if you would have been following along in this thread, or even read the opening post, you would see that they are giving the label to people who clearly are not engaging in organized gang activity, as per their own requirements, which they clearly admitted in the lawsuit mentioned in the first post.

Try to keep up.

Stevo

[Maddhattter]

I am very aware that other cities have a higher concentration of gang members. I do not believe that 1 out of every 224 Americans are gang members.

Stevo

The estimation was derived from the 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment emerging trends report completed by the FBI.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment

There are approximately 1.4 million active street, prison, and OMG gang members comprising more than 33,000 gangs in the United States.

The methodology used is presented in the report as well.

[stevo]

There are almost 5 million Americans on probation right with another million + currently incarcerated.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/cpus12pr.cfm

I bet the number is actually higher.

The numbers you listed, as you know, are for a wide range of criminal acts, of which only a small portion are actually gang-related. I can't see the logic of using it as some sort of proof of your theory, but go ahead.

Stevo

[BP]

I am very aware that other cities have a higher concentration of gang members. I do not believe that 1 out of every 224 Americans are gang members.

Stevo

There are almost 5 million Americans on probation right with another million + currently incarcerated.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/cpus12pr.cfm

I bet the number is actually higher.

[stevo]

Cities like Chicago, LA, Detroit (Juggalos) and New York have a considerably higher percentage of gang members than anywhere in Texas.

I want to know why the Teamsters and UAW aren't being considered as gangs though.

I am very aware that other cities have a higher concentration of gang members. I do not believe that 1 out of every 224 Americans are gang members.

Stevo

[bluecollar]

Faggy 2 Dope and Silent Gay
Claiming Detroit, when y'all live 20 miles away
And I don't wrestle, I'll knock you fucking faggots the fuck out

Solid.

[Roscoe]

<-- in fear of any Juggalo....

Faggy 2 Dope and Silent Gay
Claiming Detroit, when y'all live 20 miles away
And I don't wrestle, I'll knock you fucking faggots the fuck out

Nice Marshall Mathers references there...

[slow99]

Cities like Chicago, LA, Detroit (Juggalos) and New York have a considerably higher percentage of gang members than anywhere in Texas.

I want to know why the Teamsters and UAW aren't being considered as gangs though.

Faggy 2 Dope and Silent Gay
Claiming Detroit, when y'all live 20 miles away
And I don't wrestle, I'll knock you fucking faggots the fuck out

[BP]

No, they are saying that there are 1.4 million combined total gang members in the US. I find that number heavily inflated as well.

Stevo

Cities like Chicago, LA, Detroit (Juggalos) and New York have a considerably higher percentage of gang members than anywhere in Texas.

I want to know why the Teamsters and UAW aren't being considered as gangs though.

[racrguy]

It's fun as fuck to troll them. They get really bent out of shape when you let them know the stereotypes surrounding them, then question why they choose to associate with those stereotypes.

[red95gts]

No, they are saying that there are 1.4 million combined total gang members in the US. I find that number heavily inflated as well.

Stevo

Oh gotcha… I need more coffee, apparently. That seems more believable, although I agree that seems high as well.

[slow99]

1.4 million Juggalos?

There's 314 million people in the US (of all age groups), and we are supposed to believe that 1 out of every 224 people is a fucking Juggalo? lol

No, not at all. Read:

The report does not specify how many Juggalos make up the country's 1.4 million gang members.