Insane Clown Posse and ACLU sue FBI

[stevo]

1.4 million Juggalos?

There's 314 million people in the US (of all age groups), and we are supposed to believe that 1 out of every 224 people is a fucking Juggalo? lol

No, they are saying that there are 1.4 million combined total gang members in the US. I find that number heavily inflated as well.

Stevo

[red95gts]

1.4 million Juggalos?

There's 314 million people in the US (of all age groups), and we are supposed to believe that 1 out of every 224 people is a fucking Juggalo? lol

[Forever_frost]

Those idiots are a huge waste of oxygen and a drain on society, so I don't care if they are fucked with by law enforcement. They seem to go out of their way to make themselves look like idiots. What did they expect would happen?

I seem to remember this argument made against the Tea Party and when Obama executed an American citizen without due process.

[slow99]

Lol at "Those guys suck so this doesn't matter."

[ELVIS]

You SHOULD have a problem with it. Identifying a group of people as 'gangsters', and then by logical extension, 'domestic terrorists' is a way for the government to sidestep citizens' rights and treat them any way they want. These are the inevitable first steps of tyranny.

WHOOOOOOO WHOOOOOOOOO Juggalo love Danny!!!!!

god bless.

[bcoop]

You SHOULD have a problem with it. Identifying a group of people as 'gangsters', and then by logical extension, 'domestic terrorists' is a way for the government to sidestep citizens' rights and treat them any way they want. These are the inevitable first steps of tyranny.

I don't disagree, but I think tyranny started by our Government a long time ago.

[46Tbird]

Those idiots are a huge waste of oxygen and a drain on society, so I don't care if they are fucked with by law enforcement. They seem to go out of their way to make themselves look like idiots. What did they expect would happen?

You SHOULD have a problem with it. Identifying a group of people as 'gangsters', and then by logical extension, 'domestic terrorists' is a way for the government to sidestep citizens' rights and treat them any way they want. These are the inevitable first steps of tyranny.

[stevo]

Those idiots are a huge waste of oxygen and a drain on society, so I don't care if they are fucked with by law enforcement. They seem to go out of their way to make themselves look like idiots. What did they expect would happen?

My problem is, due to the way the law is worded, any group of fans can be listed as a gang if drug use is cited. 'Deadheads' and the 'Kiss Army' would be stuck on that list.

Stevo

[jdgregory84]

Walking diarrhea people.

[91CoupeMike]

Those idiots are a huge waste of oxygen and a drain on society, so I don't care if they are fucked with by law enforcement. They seem to go out of their way to make themselves look like idiots. What did they expect would happen?

Don't they do a lot of charities for needy people?

They looked like idiots and got paid doing so.

[LANTIRN]

Those idiots are a huge waste of oxygen and a drain on society, so I don't care if they are fucked with by law enforcement. They seem to go out of their way to make themselves look like idiots. What did they expect would happen?

[Country cracker]

"I slide up to the bar"
I haven't heard one of their songs in like 10 years.

[Cooter]

Only thing that shocks me is people have ever listened to that shit.

fixed

[Scott Mc]

Only thing that shocks me is people still listen to that shit.

[stevo]

Strange bedfellows.

Insane Clown Posse Sue FBI Over Juggalos' Gang Classification

Horrorcore-rap duo Insane Clown Posse, along with four fans, are suing the Department of Justice and the FBI, demanding that the agencies purge the fan name "Juggalos" from their list of gang members. "Organized crime is by no means part of the Juggalo culture," reads the complaint, filed this morning in federal court in Detroit.

The suit stems from the FBI's National Gang Intelligence Center classification of Juggalos as "a loosely-organized hybrid gang," one with multiple affiliations. Lawyers for ICP and the ACLU claim that the profiling of Juggalos — based on their distinctive clown makeup and Hatchetman tattoos — lacks reasonable suspicion of gang affiliation. As a result, the "unconstitutionally vague" designation has since intimidated many from expressing themselves and denied them protection from unreasonable searches, according to the filing.

"The FBI had the impact they wanted: they scared people away from attending concerts and from affiliating together for the purpose of listening to music," Saura Sahu, an attorney assisting the ACLU of Michigan, tells Rolling Stone. He cited the decline in turnout at the latest Gathering of the Juggalos, ICP's annual five-day festival, where police last August arrested numerous people on drug-related offenses outside the event.

"We don't fit in anywhere," Insane Clown Posse's Violent J tells Rolling Stone. "And when people don't understand you, people fear you. All we're trying to do is be like the Stephen King of music. We like to tell horror stories."

The band's legal preparation began last year, when their attorney Howard Hertz contacted the ACLU about representing the four Juggalos. The suit follows ICP's 2012 complaint alleging that the FBI had violated the Freedom of Information Act by failing to disclose adequate documentation justifying its gang classification, which is currently still pending. "None of the information revealed showed any significant link between any significant percentage of the Juggalos and the kind of criminal behaviors that the Department of Justice is supposed to be targeting through these gang initiatives," Sahu says.

Yet last July, according to the complaint, a plaintiff who drives a semi-truck sporting a Hatchetman logo was stopped, searched and detained by a Tennessee state trooper. In 2012, an Army recruiter refused to enlist a different plaintiff unless he covered or removed his Hatchetman tattoo. And plaintiff Robert Hellin, an Army corporal who has served in Iraq, Afghanistan and Korea, is "in imminent danger of suffering discipline or an involuntary discharge" because of the tattoos he got years before Juggalos were deemed a gang.

"At first I thought, wow, that's a compliment that our fans are that heard-of and that renowned," Violent J says. "Then when I realized what's happening to the fans because of it, then everything turned around."

Federal law defines a criminal street gang as a group of at least five people engaging in violence or a drug-related crime. Yet while the DOJ's National Gang Threat Assessment warned that Juggalos were "rapidly expanding," three years ago, they said they "are not motivated to migrate based upon traditional needs of a gang," given their "disorganization" and "transient nature." They are active in at least 21 states, the assessment continued, though only four states recognize them as a gang. The report does not specify how many Juggalos make up the country's 1.4 million gang members.

The defendants have until March to either respond to the complaint or request that a judge dismiss the case. "We don't know if we can beat the FBI," Violent J says. "But we're damn sure not gonna sit there and accept it."

Stevo