Muslims

[SMEGMA STENCH]

That is a whole lot of words being put into my mouth. Not going to spend 45 minutes dissecting that garbage.

You need to philosphize a better way to dodge points.

You and every other Wal Mart greeter can claim this. Congrats.

I've only spent 10 years of my life defending our country from all enemies foreign and domestic so idiots like you could ruin it.

SlowLX was in the military and doesn't agree with you. Is it your contention that he is also "ruining" this country? When you got your GED, did they skip over what it says on the Statue of Liberty?

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

You're saying that a major cornerstone of our history is ruining this country? How exactly does that work? Funny you claim I'm a liberal, then go on to indirectly accuse me of being a domestic terrorist, while you are the one in direct contradiction of the founding principles of this country.

Oh I get it, the military service gives you free reign to be the judge jury and executioner when it comes to interpretation of American History and how it applies to modern times. Of course. My dad was 20 years in the Army and served 2 tours in Nam. Don't talk to me about being a patriot you uneducated twit.

[SlowLX]

I understand what you are saying but my point is when do you decide that the will of the people that live in these places is to promote the radical cause? Exactly how much weight should I give to their religion when it ends up influencing them so much that they elect known terrorists and radicals to lead them? I honestly can't look at anything else when that happens. They may care about their families, they may care about peace, they may love their God but if they elect someone to power who makes it a state policy to harm me then to be blunt, they need to fucking die. And honestly, that is all I care about, them or me.

Granted, they may have been coerced or lied to or misled by clerics to get to that point but the bottom line is,whatever propaganda they believe is not my problem and I have to look at the situation in a realistic manner, the fact that they have been "lied to" is their fucking problem.

I've got no problem with that, that's why I volunteered for all my tours in Iraq. I'm simply taking issue with the point trying to be made that because those places are festering shitholes I should hate all Muslims including those who don't live in festering shitholes.

[Broncojohnny]

Depends on the neighborhoods. In Arlington they're predominately Lebanese muslims who fled the civil war and Israeli occupation in the 80's. I have no doubt in your statements as to the extremism in the middle east, hell I've been to 4 of the countries and there's definite tension for westerners even out of the warzones. I think the majority of islamic followers in America are less inclined to extremism not because of any adopted American values but because of education and a willingness to embrace modernity. The majority of countries in the middle east are filled with illiterate farmers led by muslim clerics. Even during the decay of the Ottoman empire in the early 17th century, there wasn't this great holy war against the west. Islamic violence stems more so from a refusal to modernize beginning in the mid to late 19th century and the realization among the educated elites that the battle against western modernity is futile. Look at the middle eastern countries who have embraced western ideals and integrated them into their own systems, they're not ideal societies by any American's eyes and never will be. Hell certain eastern european countries still resemble 3rd world hell holes in their practices towards society. Arabic countries who have begun to embrace westernization and modern education on the whole are the least violent and least unstable countries in the region. Religion only makes up one facet of any given societies identity and to base ALL assumptions on only a piece of their identity is just retarded. IMO

I understand what you are saying but my point is when do you decide that the will of the people that live in these places is to promote the radical cause? Exactly how much weight should I give to their religion when it ends up influencing them so much that they elect known terrorists and radicals to lead them? I honestly can't look at anything else when that happens. They may care about their families, they may care about peace, they may love their God but if they elect someone to power who makes it a state policy to harm me then to be blunt, they need to fucking die. And honestly, that is all I care about, them or me.

Granted, they may have been coerced or lied to or misled by clerics to get to that point but the bottom line is,whatever propaganda they believe is not my problem and I have to look at the situation in a realistic manner, the fact that they have been "lied to" is their fucking problem.

[AnthonyS]

I manage a multi million dollar operation for a multi billion Fortune 500 company. I'm sure that whatever you've done in life makes your opinion more important and valid than mine, though! Carry on, Fortunate Son!

You and every other Wal Mart greeter can claim this. Congrats.

I've only spent 10 years of my life defending our country from all enemies foreign and domestic so idiots like you could ruin it.

Philosophy major? Well, we know you can read. LOL! Here's my favorite lesson from Philosophy 101: "The only thing I know, is that I don't know anything"- Socrates. It's much cooler in Latin of course, but learn it, remember it, live by it. LOL!

Word up! I think if Socrates would have lived in modern times, he might have added.."and that AnthonyS is as bright as a black hole..." to the end of that statement. In Latin, of course.

[Vertnut]

Philosophy major? Well, we know you can read. LOL! Here's my favorite lesson from Philosophy 101: "The only thing I know, is that I don't know anything"- Socrates. It's much cooler in Latin of course, but learn it, remember it, live by it. LOL!

Thanks for proving my point. You don't get it. You need to sit down and read the damn books instead of patting yourself on the back for being a philosophy major. You know where philosophy majors end up anyway? Fixing my cocktails. You know why? No practical applications for philosophy. And since we are talking real world religion, for which nutjobs are willing to kill themselves, philosophizing is a waste of time.

I'm glad you foreshadowed your post though by claiming it was a baseless line of shit and telling us you were gonna hit the submit key. We all knew that already from the steady steaming pile of dung flowing from your fingers.

I manage a multi million dollar operation for a multi billion Fortune 500 company. I'm sure that whatever you've done in life makes your opinion more important and valid than mine, though! Carry on, Fortunate Son!

[AnthonyS]

lmgdao! Where do you come by this awe inspiring assumption, dipshit? I'm a fucking philosophy major, dumbass. Jesus. I love how you guys not only pull random shit out of your ass, but then go to the trouble of writing it out, thinking, yeah, that baseless line of shit looks fantastic, and then hit the submit key on top of it all. Wow.

Thanks for proving my point. You don't get it. You need to sit down and read the damn books instead of patting yourself on the back for being a philosophy major. You know where philosophy majors end up anyway? Fixing my cocktails. You know why? No practical applications for philosophy. And since we are talking real world religion, for which nutjobs are willing to kill themselves, philosophizing is a waste of time.

I'm glad you foreshadowed your post though by claiming it was a baseless line of shit and telling us you were gonna hit the submit key. We all knew that already from the steady steaming pile of dung flowing from your fingers.

[SlowLX]

While the idea that all muslims are terrorists is silly, I have to admit that there is some truth to the idea that there are many, many sympathizers to the terrorist cause in the muslim world when I see a country like Lebanon run by Hezbollah or I see Hamas, a known terrorist organization, elected to power in the Palestinian areas of the middle east. There are already radicals in place in Syria and Iran that have been there for decades. So what conclusion should someone draw besides the one where the majority of muslims are simply complacent or worse yet, directly subscribe to the ideas that these leaders promote?

It is important to remember also, that many of the people you see some here from Syria or Iran or anywhere else are not Arab muslims, they are Christians. And they left because they see what the muslims are doing to that part of the world.

Depends on the neighborhoods. In Arlington they're predominately Lebanese muslims who fled the civil war and Israeli occupation in the 80's. I have no doubt in your statements as to the extremism in the middle east, hell I've been to 4 of the countries and there's definite tension for westerners even out of the warzones. I think the majority of islamic followers in America are less inclined to extremism not because of any adopted American values but because of education and a willingness to embrace modernity. The majority of countries in the middle east are filled with illiterate farmers led by muslim clerics. Even during the decay of the Ottoman empire in the early 17th century, there wasn't this great holy war against the west. Islamic violence stems more so from a refusal to modernize beginning in the mid to late 19th century and the realization among the educated elites that the battle against western modernity is futile. Look at the middle eastern countries who have embraced western ideals and integrated them into their own systems, they're not ideal societies by any American's eyes and never will be. Hell certain eastern european countries still resemble 3rd world hell holes in their practices towards society. Arabic countries who have begun to embrace westernization and modern education on the whole are the least violent and least unstable countries in the region. Religion only makes up one facet of any given societies identity and to base ALL assumptions on only a piece of their identity is just retarded. IMO

[Broncojohnny]

While the idea that all muslims are terrorists is silly, I have to admit that there is some truth to the idea that there are many, many sympathizers to the terrorist cause in the muslim world when I see a country like Lebanon run by Hezbollah or I see Hamas, a known terrorist organization, elected to power in the Palestinian areas of the middle east. There are already radicals in place in Syria and Iran that have been there for decades. So what conclusion should someone draw besides the one where the majority of muslims are simply complacent or worse yet, directly subscribe to the ideas that these leaders promote?

It is important to remember also, that many of the people you see some here from Syria or Iran or anywhere else are not Arab muslims, they are Christians. And they left because they see what the muslims are doing to that part of the world.

No way dude...you don't get it! If you're not for forcibly removing everyone not like you, you're automatically a terrorist sympathizer. There is NO middle ground for our gas station attendants or our arabic shop owners, as a matter of fact you should probably stop doing business with them because either A) they're terrorists or B) they're not good muslims if they're not terrorists so you shouldn't even respect someone who can't take their own religion to the letter of the word.

As a matter of fact eric, you employ a border jumper. You probably support illegal immigration, after all he only became legal under Clintons amnesty and every good american knows that only let in mexican criminals and welfare suckers. I'll let Homeland security know where to find you for not being a better asshole.

I've decided you are right. There are no grey areas at all, especially when it comes to religion. Every Christian follows the Bible to the letter, and in turn follows their religious leaders teachings which are also following the Bible 100% to the letter. Nothing bad was said or taught in the Bible at all, it is only Muslims who are bad people and all 100% of them follow every letter of the Quran to a T, with no grey areas at ALL. My eyes are wide open now, everyone is a suspect.

Wow, this is so much easier than actually thinking for myself, just dismissing entire races/cultures/regions of the globe due to them being evil doers because some guy on the internet claims he is the only person on the planet that has come by his knowledge through a source other than the mainstream media. What a crazy day it has been for me, but I'm all better now! Thanks guys!!!

[SlowLX]

That is a whole lot of words being put into my mouth. Not going to spend 45 minutes dissecting that garbage.

No way dude...you don't get it! If you're not for forcibly removing everyone not like you, you're automatically a terrorist sympathizer. There is NO middle ground for our gas station attendants or our arabic shop owners, as a matter of fact you should probably stop doing business with them because either A) they're terrorists or B) they're not good muslims if they're not terrorists so you shouldn't even respect someone who can't take their own religion to the letter of the word.

As a matter of fact eric, you employ a border jumper. You probably support illegal immigration, after all he only became legal under Clintons amnesty and every good american knows that only let in mexican criminals and welfare suckers. I'll let Homeland security know where to find you for not being a better asshole.

Or course, since your understanding of religion comes from mainstream media, you don't get it and never will.

lmgdao! Where do you come by this awe inspiring assumption, dipshit? I'm a fucking philosophy major, dumbass. Jesus. I love how you guys not only pull random shit out of your ass, but then go to the trouble of writing it out, thinking, yeah, that baseless line of shit looks fantastic, and then hit the submit key on top of it all. Wow.

[AnthonyS]

I'm an atheist. Does this mean I should be killed like the muslims?

According to Islam you have to convert, be enslaved or put to death. It's their law.

If you think forcibly accommodating that philosophy is good for our country, then you don't understand America in the least.

You also clearly don't understand why Jefferson got a Quran, read it, and what he did after he read it. It wasn't so future Congressmen could be sworn in using it. That's worse than burning a US flag. It's like taking a shit on the Lincoln memorial really. Or course, since your understanding of religion comes from mainstream media, you don't get it and never will.

Someday when some Muslim screams Allahu Akhbar and blows up your family, maybe then you'll get a clue.