Muslims

[SMEGMA STENCH]

That's the problem, they can't. It would be in direct contradiction to what everything their religion stands for, because its in their holy book. It would be like the pope saying its ok to steal and murder. Can't ever do it.

[Forever_frost]

Until Islam stands up and starts issuing fatwas saying that murdering in the name of Islam, blowing yourself up to kill others and such is against the Koran and you won't go to heaven, instead you'll go to hell, fuck Islam.

[Denny]

No, that was not your point. If it was, you did a piss-poor job of trying to convey it. All I got from you was the "Nu-uh... what a bout those Christians too!"

[SlowLX]

Ireland is a bad example...that's all I'm saying. Do you HONESTLY want to equate 9-11 (and 3000+ deaths) with what goes on in Ireland? I don't recall an Irishman strapping 20lbs of C4 on his back and wandering through an Israeli marketplace, and detonating himself.

You're right it's not a perfect comparison which is why its not the one I've been using, I'll still stick to the whole firebombing abortion clinics in the name of God shtick, even though much of this thread thinks that type of terrorism is completely different because in some inadvertent way its religiously different than an ultra conservative muslim blowing up a jewish market, etc.

OK, Slider wins... we don't kill anyone and just let the Muslims take over. I mean, it's all about making him happy because he thinks he's justified with his apples and oranges comparisons, right?

Because killing someone in the name of jesus is nowhere near as evil as killing someone in the name of allah? Hell, Dennis do you want another example of proof where religious violence has occurred where the muslims weren't the aggressors? Look at Bosnia in the 90's; those thousands of muslims were all fear mongering extremists. It couldn't have been that the largely orthodox and catholic bosnians were killing off entire villages because they had different beliefs.

Not once did I ever defend letting islamic extremism take over western society. Nor did I ever disagree with anything we as a country have done to combat it since it became the new hot zone in the world. What I have been arguing is that just because there's some stupid motherfucker who prays to allah to kill americans does not mean that you can waltz into your local 7-11 and tell the local haji to go fuck himself. IE the OP who HATES ALL MUSLIMS because clearly EVERYLAST muslim immigrant is nothing more than one step away from being a terrorist. Everylast one of these Lebanese fucks who choose to live in Arlington then are all terrorists? They couldn't have fled the violence in lebanon to a country that's peaceful and lets them live their quite little lives owning hookah shops and managing gas stations; no deep down that fuckhead selling me gas is really plotting to burn my truck down...you know, you guys are right that logic is awesome.

[Gargamel]

So, we're not on worldwide terrorism again? Now we're talking about groups of people consolidated on a little island? Fuck, I'm having trouble keeping up anymore.

It's not only that....

A little tid-bit from irishtimes.com referencing the worst of the fighting and issues that went on in the 70s:
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Papal visit from the 70s is referenced...

A crowd estimated at 250,000, many from Northern Ireland, heard the Pope appeal to the men and women of violence to end it.

"On my knees I beg of you to turn away from the paths of violence and to return to the ways of peace ... Those who resort to violence always claim that only violence brings about change. You must know there is a political, peaceful way to justice."
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We are dealing with a world-wide muslim problem right now, where we see very little Islamic leadership outright denouncing and actively curtailing the stuff going on out there. There is some, but its a drop in the bucket...

[WildBill]

OK, Slider wins... we don't kill anyone and just let the Muslims take over. I mean, it's all about making him happy because he thinks he's justified with his apples and oranges comparisons, right?

Right!

[WildBill]

have you been there? these are irish killing irish, these people really believe that their countrymen who are of a different religion are actually the spawns of satan, and it is their religious duty to kill them.


true the irish do not like the english government, but there are many reasons for this.

Ummmm................Yup............Took my Mom there.
Even took her to Belfast.

You fail to address the REAL issue of the conflict and no, they don't think it's their " religious duty" to kill each other. Who in the hell told you that crap? Some damn Limey or like your other conclusions in this thread ? ............your "neither regions"

[SMEGMA STENCH]

No, we send all muslims home regardless of what they may say or their citizenship status. The US reserves the right to revoke citizenship as does every other country. We did it in WW2 and we could do it again if we really wanted. Im going to get a bumper sticker that says GO HOME MUSLIM and under that in smaller print it says YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE

[Denny]

OK, Slider wins... we don't kill anyone and just let the Muslims take over. I mean, it's all about making him happy because he thinks he's justified with his apples and oranges comparisons, right?

[Vertnut]

30-40 years ago is too far still to be acceptable for recent religious violence? You guys asked for examples that weren't 800 old and you got multiple, or are we only counting religious violence post 9-11 then? Also, are we not counting abortion clinics bombed in the name of Christ? Or christian on hindu violence in remote parts of India? Or atheistic violence on muslims in China? I'd really like some clarifications on the narrow definition of religious violence being used here.

Not a jab directed at you Vertnut, just directed in general at all the definitions being used to differentiate between religious hatred and whatever hatred everyone who isn't muslim has been committing during the same time frame. When does Zionism go beyond Jewish repatriation or defense and into Jewish ethnocentric hate against other semites and vice versa?
What about atheist on religious violence? Is that ok? There's sure been plenty of it recently. At what point are you're definitions going to be realistic enough to accept anything but Islamic on western crime? What about communist on islamic crime such as Afghanistan circa the 80's?

Ireland is a bad example...that's all I'm saying. Do you HONESTLY want to equate 9-11 (and 3000+ deaths) with what goes on in Ireland? I don't recall an Irishman strapping 20lbs of C4 on his back and wandering through an Israeli marketplace, and detonating himself.

[SlowLX]

It's been really quiet over there for the last ten years. To see any real death toll, you need to go back to the late '70's.

30-40 years ago is too far still to be acceptable for recent religious violence? You guys asked for examples that weren't 800 old and you got multiple, or are we only counting religious violence post 9-11 then? Also, are we not counting abortion clinics bombed in the name of Christ? Or christian on hindu violence in remote parts of India? Or atheistic violence on muslims in China? I'd really like some clarifications on the narrow definition of religious violence being used here.

Not a jab directed at you Vertnut, just directed in general at all the definitions being used to differentiate between religious hatred and whatever hatred everyone who isn't muslim has been committing during the same time frame. When does Zionism go beyond Jewish repatriation or defense and into Jewish ethnocentric hate against other semites and vice versa?
What about atheist on religious violence? Is that ok? There's sure been plenty of it recently. At what point are your definitions going to be realistic enough to accept anything but Islamic on western crime? What about communist on islamic crime such as Afghanistan circa the 80's or in Western China in the last 20 years?

[Denny]

It's been really quiet over there for the last ten years. To see any real death toll, you need to go back to the late '70's.

That's beside the point! Christians are heathens!!!

[Vertnut]

have you been there? these are irish killing irish, these people really believe that their countrymen who are of a different religion are actually the spawns of satan, and it is their religious duty to kill them.

true the irish do not like the english government, but there are many reasons for this.

It's been really quiet over there for the last ten years. To see any real death toll, you need to go back to the late '70's.

[Cannonball996]

It's not only that. The roots of hatred lies with the British government. Seems Cannonball996 didn't know that or just conveniently left that out.

have you been there? these are irish killing irish, these people really believe that their countrymen who are of a different religion are actually the spawns of satan, and it is their religious duty to kill them.


true the irish do not like the english government, but there are many reasons for this.

[Vertnut]

75 to 8. That just happened.




lol I knew you'd bring that up, since its the only possible thing even remotely close to your point. I take it you have zero knowledge of how that whole situation works.

I had to LMAO at Vatican City. Was there 6 years ago, and they were ruling nothing, other than themselves. Do the catholics look to the Vatican for spiritual guidance? Sure, but they are in no position to rule anything. Built to protect the pope and from "intruders", but that's about it.