Does Ted Cruz not understand Net Neutrality?

[racrguy]

He and the repubs are in control of the board, they dont have to sacrifice a pawn to somebody who has lost most of the board. If he wants show what he's about, he should be doing right all the time. Instead this move just reinforces that he is the wrong candidate to the middle left who are lining up to vote for a motherly figure

Explain, please. I want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding what you're saying.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

I totally get what you're saying. I'm just not that worried about it, because it's an obvious distraction play. If this were chess, he'd be sacrificing a pawn to draw in a more valuable piece later. He's comfortable being the villain, and it serves him well to let other people think that's all he is.

He and the repubs are in control of the board, they dont have to sacrifice a pawn to somebody who has lost most of the board. If he wants show what he's about, he should be doing right all the time. Instead this move just reinforces that he is the wrong candidate to the middle left who are lining up to vote for a motherly figure

[YALE]

I can. I get it, Obama mostly has shit ideas. History proves that. But his admin coming out in support of this, is one thing they actually got right. Save the effort for the issues that actually need to be fought. If Cruz's stance on this is solely due to the Fuck Obama mentality, then he can go fuck himself. His post on this matter makes him look like an idiot. Just like the posts he makes speaking about religion.


I like the guy despite his very obvious flaws, but he needs to do a better job of picking and choosing his battles.

I totally get what you're saying. I'm just not that worried about it, because it's an obvious distraction play. If this were chess, he'd be sacrificing a pawn to draw in a more valuable piece later. He's comfortable being the villain, and it serves him well to let other people think that's all he is.

I can. I get it, Obama mostly has shit ideas. History proves that. But his admin coming out in support of this, is one thing they actually got right. Save the effort for the issues that actually need to be fought. If Cruz's stance on this is solely due to the Fuck Obama mentality, then he can go fuck himself. His post on this matter makes him look like an idiot. Just like the posts he makes speaking about religion.


I like the guy despite his very obvious flaws, but he needs to do a better job of picking and choosing his battles.

Get out of my brain.

[bcoop]

He's doing what we elected him to do, and I can't hate that. He's batting down whatever Obama suggests, and keeping him boxed in,

I can. I get it, Obama mostly has shit ideas. History proves that. But his admin coming out in support of this, is one thing they actually got right. Save the effort for the issues that actually need to be fought. If Cruz's stance on this is solely due to the Fuck Obama mentality, then he can go fuck himself. His post on this matter makes him look like an idiot. Just like the posts he makes speaking about religion.


I like the guy despite his very obvious flaws, but he needs to do a better job of picking and choosing his battles.

[YALE]

I'm a Cruz supporter but I'm not sure I side with his stance here. I'll need to research further, I guess.

He's doing what we elected him to do, and I can't hate that. He's batting down whatever Obama suggests, and keeping him boxed in, so he can't get in the way of good legislation after this. It's what good senators do, and he's a good senator. Him going up against Obama on this doesn't necessarily affect the outcome of this issue, but it adds a transaction cost in political capital to Obama's efforts. Ted Cruz can let it squeak through the senate, say he fought Obama, and Obama has to waste time fighting this. It's a beautiful move, presuming it works.

[46Tbird]

http://theoatmeal.com/blog/net_neutrality

That was awesome. I'm a Cruz supporter but I'm not sure I side with his stance here. I'll need to research further, I guess.

It seems eric hasnt been keeping up with the news.

What have I missed?

[John -- '02 HAWK]

yall are hearing about it because the threat to net neutrality is becoming a real possibility. What used to be a vague worry about governmental content throttling and censorship, has become a palpable commercial threat to content throttling and even censorship.

Net neutrality is not really about average net speed. Its about a government or corporation being able control what you use the internet for. Do you want corps to establish paywalls for playing online video games, even though you have already payed for internet access? Do you want to pay the corps to access the movie service that you have paid for and that is available because you paid for your internet? Do you want to have to pay more because you got some web site that some VP thinks is objectionable. Thats not the end of the pay walls either other ISPs or nations could establish paywalls and throttles as a tax.

[bcoop]

http://theoatmeal.com/blog/net_neutrality

[46Tbird]

Never heard of any of this shit.

This is exactly what I am talking about. It should be a huge red flag when politicians start talking about a problem that none of us can really define clearly. In my experience that means you are talking about a problem that industry made up in an attempt to get favorable legislation out of congress.

YES!

Anytime they start telling me I'm suffering from a problem I'm not aware I have, I know for sure the only solution is coming from my wallet.

[Sean88gt]

The whole thing just seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Another sales job by private industry to rig the system. I get this impression because I can go all over the internet and read about what "net neutrality" is and I get a different story in every place. In one place it has to do with speeds and infrastructure, in others it has to do with forced advertising and captive audiences. This seems like a load of crap that has been sold to the sheep, like when we needed all that deregulation in the utilities business here in Texas. That turned out to be a load of bullshit and was a ploy by the utility companies to double their rates.

If an ISP drops 100 mil to upgrade their network to support all current users x2 with headroom then netflix comes along and causes the pipe to fill up, thats money out of the ISP's pocket so it seems reasonable to me ( but it sucks ).

That's where competition comes into play, then another isp comes in and finds a way to build a better network for less and charges less, then everyone is upping their game to compete.

Al's example is spot on. Taking out inflation and rises in energy cost, utilities have shot through the roof and the supposed free market benefits seem as if they were completely aced out. It appears that the retail providers work together to set a basement floor, then work their way up from there.

If the government gets involved with interwebz, we will get collectively fucked.

[bcoop]

That's where competition SHOULD come into play, then another isp comes in and finds a way to build a better network for less and charges less, then everyone is upping their game to compete. Instead, the ISPs band together and whine for intervention.

Ftfy

The first I heard of any of this is when Netflix was throwing down with ISPs. ISPs want to charge streaming services like Netflix more money. Or, what it really boils down to, is charge you more money to stream anything. And that's a load of shit.

Yup, last December I believe it was, one of the SP's was throttling down Netflix trying to extort them. I was having all kinds of problems towards the end of the month and just stopped using it for a couple of weeks.

[Mach1]

The first I heard of any of this is when Netflix was throwing down with ISPs. ISPs want to charge streaming services like Netflix more money. Or, what it really boils down to, is charge you more money to stream anything. And that's a load of shit.

If an ISP drops 100 mil to upgrade their network to support all current users x2 with headroom then netflix comes along and causes the pipe to fill up, thats money out of the ISP's pocket so it seems reasonable to me ( but it sucks ).

That's where competition comes into play, then another isp comes in and finds a way to build a better network for less and charges less, then everyone is upping their game to compete.