Here you go you dumbs$%&#@

[46Tbird]

I personally appreciate when people open with "it's just a theory." It immediately tells me that this person has spent minimal time in scientific studies. In Anthony's case, I was wondering if he passed high school physics. Now I'm starting to question he did well enough to get passed elementary school "this is science" type class.

It kind of seems like he only heard what he wanted to hear.

[exlude]

I personally appreciate when people open with "it's just a theory." It immediately tells me that this person has spent minimal time in scientific studies. In Anthony's case, I was wondering if he passed high school physics. Now I'm starting to question he did well enough to get passed elementary school "this is science" type class.

[racrguy]

There you go. Nothing is 100% efficient. That's entropy. The energy existed at one time (as in past tense) and it doesn't exist anymore. Again, that's entropy. And this isn't a theory. It's fact and you confirmed yet, somehow when you add 2 and 2, you get 5 for some reason.

Next time you have a thought. Just stop here.



And I already said gravity is real and can be measured. It's already been tested. However since you don't believe me, maybe you should take your own advice.

Just shut the fuck up. Just because you can't harness the energy doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Also, laws are the mathematical portion of the theory. In science, there is no higher state of validity than a theory, the the scientific word and the colloquial term of theory mean two different things. Educate yourself on what science actually says, and not what some crackpot who doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground says.

[Strychnine]

[Maddhattter]

Madhatter, energy isn't conserved via the 1st law of Thermo.

Yes, it is. That's the entire first law of thermodynamics. It simply states that in thermodynamics, the energy still adhere's to the law of energy conservation. The law of conservation of energy explicitly states energy cannot be created or destroyed. It only changes forms.

That's why the 2nd Law came into being. The 2nd Law disproves the concept of perpetual motion machines.

No, again. The second law of thermodynamics came into being because there were still observations that were unaccounted for by the first law. The second law does not modify the first at all, it appends.

The 2nd law only states that, in general, the total entropy of a system will not decrease without increasing the entropy of another system. Entropy, in this sense, only indicates that as energy is transferred, the direction it flows becomes increasingly less predictable. In simpler terms, the energy only becomes disordered, or entropic. The energy doesn't disappear, we only lose track of it or it becomes unusable by us with our current technology level.

Go read what Carnot, Plank, and Kelvin wrote long ago.

Be more specific. Nothing that I've read that these men have said, as it pertains to physics and thermodynamics, agree with your position or disagree with mine.

And then go drive your car around the block and tell me where all the potential energy of the gasoline went

It changed forms. The majority of it was bled off as heat, both in radiant head and friction. Some of it is transferred into kinetic energy. Per the first law of thermodynamics, I can say with confidence that 100% of the energy still exists, just in a different form and location.

and then tell me how you are going to get all 100% of it back.

I can't do this. As it currently stands, we are unable to do this. However, it's possible that could change as science progresses.

In case you didn't know it the average internal combustion engine actually produces power around 20% of the chemical potential of the fuel being burned.

No, it can only utilize about that much. All of the energy of the fuel being burned is produced.

The rest of the energy is wasted mostly as heat and of course pushing exhaust gases around.

But it's still produced and still exists after it's "wasted".

That heat energy is then dissipated by the surrounding universe and gone for good.... damn entropy.

It's dissipated in that it has transferred it's energy to other places and transferred it to other forms, yes. However, 100% of that energy still exists. Yay for conservation of energy! Now, I'll agree, after it's changed form/location in that way, it's no longer useful to us but that doesn't mean it's just gone.

You can measure that energy lost to disorder and call it some variable.... oh I don't know maybe "S."

"Energy lost" in the context of entropy is only energy that is unable to be converted into work, like heat. That doesn't change the fact that the energy still exists, just not in a form we know how to utilize.

It's also important to point out that, in calculating "S", the entire model is based on the conservation of energy.

Then once you start realizing every system imaginable will result in some S. You will realize that no system will ever just spontaneously explode without some input energy that wasn't there to begin with, hence the big bang theory is just that a "theory."

Since there was no explosion, that's not a problem. The big bang theory states, only, that there was an expansion. Considering all energy would have been compressed into the singularity along with all matter, the resulting energetic molecules would be bouncing around all(due to heat and kinetic transfer) over the place and knocking each other away. Seeing as that would result in both entropy and the expansion of both matter and energy, there is no problem with the 2nd law.

It's almost like physicists and cosmologists know about the laws of thermodynamics and still accept the big bang theory as the best of the available models based on the evidence...

The 2nd of Law of Thermo leads to entropy, which we can measure as a variable S.

No, the 2nd law states there will be entropy.

And S always goes up, never down. Even in a reversible process, S always increases. So the universe is energy limited. One day we will run out. We can observe this driving around on a tank of gas, or studying the life cycles of stars, etc.

Yes, the universe is energy limited. No, we will not run out of energy. We will run out of usable concentrations of energy one day. All energy, per the 1st law, will still exist. It will only be dispersed and not in a usable form. Again, that damned "energy conservation" thing.

[The King]

Yes. I always consult the Barnes and Noble arrangement for determining everything too! We're like twins!

So do I, therefore it must be true!

[Gasser64]

Again, Christianity is in a decline due to the modern world finding it irrelevant to its needs.

Not quite. The whole 'Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you' seems like something most people need these days. The people that find such teachings irrelevant, are also known as common scumbags.

Now you're being a fucking faggot, and not the cool dick suckin' kind either.

I knew it...

[BMCSean]

[Denny]

I guess in purely physical parlance yes, and it can indeed be measured. It has moved from "theory" to a "law." While in physics terminology and by proper scientific method, "the Big Bang" will always just be a bullshit theory. Unless of course your imaginary all omnipotent super being of choice cause the Big Bang, but good luck proving that one.

I don't know about you, but I always get a chuckle by the fact that in Barnes and Noble books on religion are one row over from modern fiction at the Addison store. It's almost like they are trying to tell people something.....

Yes. I always consult the Barnes and Noble arrangement for determining everything too! We're like twins!

[AnthonyS]

Isn't gravity a law now?

I guess in purely physical parlance yes, and it can indeed be measured. It has moved from "theory" to a "law." While in physics terminology and by proper scientific method, "the Big Bang" will always just be a bullshit theory. Unless of course your imaginary all omnipotent super being of choice cause the Big Bang, but good luck proving that one.

I don't know about you, but I always get a chuckle by the fact that in Barnes and Noble books on religion are one row over from modern fiction at the Addison store. It's almost like they are trying to tell people something.....

[Denny]

Isn't gravity a law now?

[AnthonyS]

Jesus fucking Christ. No machine is 100% efficient. Just because you can't harness all of the energy doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You keep saying theory, I don't think it means what you think it means. Why don't you test the "theory" of gravity and jump out of a third floor window.

There you go. Nothing is 100% efficient. That's entropy. The energy existed at one time (as in past tense) and it doesn't exist anymore. Again, that's entropy. And this isn't a theory. It's fact and you confirmed yet, somehow when you add 2 and 2, you get 5 for some reason.

Next time you have a thought. Just stop here.

Jesus fucking Christ.... I don't think....

And I already said gravity is real and can be measured. It's already been tested. However since you don't believe me, maybe you should take your own advice.

[racrguy]

Madhatter, energy isn't conserved via the 1st law of Thermo. That's why the 2nd Law came into being. The 2nd Law disproves the concept of perpetual motion machines.

Go read what Carnot, Plank, and Kelvin wrote long ago.

And then go drive your car around the block and tell me where all the potential energy of the gasoline went and then tell me how you are going to get all 100% of it back. In case you didn't know it the average internal combustion engine actually produces power around 20% of the chemical potential of the fuel being burned. The rest of the energy is wasted mostly as heat and of course pushing exhaust gases around. That heat energy is then dissipated by the surrounding universe and gone for good.... damn entropy. You can measure that energy lost to disorder and call it some variable.... oh I don't know maybe "S."

Then once you start realizing every system imaginable will result in some S. You will realize that no system will ever just spontaneously explode without some input energy that wasn't there to begin with, hence the big bang theory is just that a "theory."

The 2nd of Law of Thermo leads to entropy, which we can measure as a variable S. And S always goes up, never down. Even in a reversible process, S always increases. So the universe is energy limited. One day we will run out. We can observe this driving around on a tank of gas, or studying the life cycles of stars, etc.

Which reminds me of a song which kind of sums it all up...... If you live long enough, God will destroy everything you love.

Think on that and have a great night.

Jesus fucking Christ. No machine is 100% efficient. Just because you can't harness all of the energy doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You keep saying theory, I don't think it means what you think it means. Why don't you test the "theory" of gravity and jump out of a third floor window.

[AnthonyS]

Madhatter, energy isn't conserved via the 1st law of Thermo. That's why the 2nd Law came into being. The 2nd Law disproves the concept of perpetual motion machines.

Go read what Carnot, Plank, and Kelvin wrote long ago.

And then go drive your car around the block and tell me where all the potential energy of the gasoline went and then tell me how you are going to get all 100% of it back. In case you didn't know it the average internal combustion engine actually produces power around 20% of the chemical potential of the fuel being burned. The rest of the energy is wasted mostly as heat and of course pushing exhaust gases around. That heat energy is then dissipated by the surrounding universe and gone for good.... damn entropy. You can measure that energy lost to disorder and call it some variable.... oh I don't know maybe "S."

Then once you start realizing every system imaginable will result in some S. You will realize that no system will ever just spontaneously explode without some input energy that wasn't there to begin with, hence the big bang theory is just that a "theory."

The 2nd of Law of Thermo leads to entropy, which we can measure as a variable S. And S always goes up, never down. Even in a reversible process, S always increases. So the universe is energy limited. One day we will run out. We can observe this driving around on a tank of gas, or studying the life cycles of stars, etc.

Which reminds me of a song which kind of sums it all up...... If you live long enough, God will destroy everything you love.

Think on that and have a great night.

[Strychnine]

Was it 6 months? I thought it was a couple weeks at most.

Lol. I guess that's part of the point - no one really cares that much!