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[Trip McNeely]

Like they said on Newsmax, and I think Derz even said it: "This was the most political neutral/vague answer they could give." Basically yea, they didn't want to ruffle feathers.

[Broncojohnny]

He's on Newsmax right now saying that basically its over. He doesn't like it, but looks like its over.

Oh yea, it is over without a doubt. I am just curious about how he views them saying Texas has no standing. That is an interesting position because it opens up all sorts of possibilities. I'm talking about Dread Scott decision level political conflict.

I really expected a more nuanced shooting down of the case. Some bullshit like "Obamacare is legal because the penalty for not having insurance is really a tax". lol

[Trip McNeely]

This is exactly what I was saying above. From what I understand about constitutional law, Texas at least had a legitimate beef that should have been heard. But if the SC heard it and ruled one way or the other there were going to be huge consequences. Claiming that Texas has no right to even complain is taking the easiest way out from a political perspective.

It is going to be interesting to see what Alan Dershowitz has to say about this, as he is an expert on the subject of constitutional law and one of the few truly objective contributors to the bullshit television we see.

He's on Newsmax right now saying that basically its over. He doesn't like it, but looks like its over.

[Broncojohnny]

This is exactly what I was saying above. From what I understand about constitutional law, Texas at least had a legitimate beef that should have been heard. But if the SC heard it and ruled one way or the other there were going to be huge consequences. Claiming that Texas has no right to even complain is taking the easiest way out from a political perspective.

It is going to be interesting to see what Alan Dershowitz has to say about this, as he is an expert on the subject of constitutional law and one of the few truly objective contributors to the bullshit television we see.

[davbrucas]

[davbrucas]

Attorney Matthew DePerno CONFIRMS Dominion Voting Machines in Michigan County CHANGED VOTES From Trump to Biden...and it wasn’t human error. The machines were programmed to do this. I’m reading Georgia has been confirmed as well.

Matthew DePerno will do a shit ton of press in the coming days and weeks. He will be on Bannon's show and others, and numerous talk radio outlets.

Gateway Pundit, Breitbart, and countless other right-leaning sites will write "bombshell" articles about this.

It will never be entered as evidence or an exhibit in any lawsuit in the country. No one officially tied to Trump or the campaign will vouch for it.

That's how it's gone for the last 4 weeks, that's how I see it continuing.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/huge-attorney-matthew-deperno-confirms-dominion-voting-machines-michigan-county-changed-votes-trump-biden-not-human-error/

I think Eric could just as easily pick apart the lefties on Facebook.
He’s like the fucking Lebron james of internet debating!

Keep it up and you'll get more than a fruit basket from me for Christmas, boo.

That changes after every election where the office of president changes hands. Fucking liars. The only thing they can all agree on is to spend more money, the biggest problem they have is where to spend it.

Even the economists do this shit. More fucking two faced liars.

I have sat at the same table as really powerful people who know some of these politicians personally as good friends and listened to them talk about politics. The politicians don't believe half the shit they say or they say it because they feel like they have to. The real zealots are few and far between, that's why Trump scares the fuck out of them. He is a narcissist and an asshole but he is also an outsider who doesn't really allow them to play their game all that well. Their game being to fill their pockets and/or get re-elected. He is a zealot but not for either team.

If you want a great example of a shitbag just look at Mitt Romney. If he caught on fire, I wouldn't waste my piss to put him out.

Yup. I sort of miss being young and naive and thinking one party held to principles over another. It's just a free for all of spreading money to their buddies.

[Broncojohnny]

This is 100% dead on accurate. Follow the money.

Have y'all noticed Republican politicians are pretending to be against socialism again suddenly and talking about over spending? I have. Being fiscally conservative is what initially drew me into thinking about them as viable politically 15 years ago.

That changes after every election where the office of president changes hands. Fucking liars. The only thing they can all agree on is to spend more money, the biggest problem they have is where to spend it.

Even the economists do this shit. More fucking two faced liars.

I have sat at the same table as really powerful people who know some of these politicians personally as good friends and listened to them talk about politics. The politicians don't believe half the shit they say or they say it because they feel like they have to. The real zealots are few and far between, that's why Trump scares the fuck out of them. He is a narcissist and an asshole but he is also an outsider who doesn't really allow them to play their game all that well. Their game being to fill their pockets and/or get re-elected. He is a zealot but not for either team.

If you want a great example of a shitbag just look at Mitt Romney. If he caught on fire, I wouldn't waste my piss to put him out.

[Stephen]

I’m assuming you’re taking the opposite stance in here for debate purposes (and making people look like idiots)

I think Eric could just as easily pick apart the lefties on Facebook.
He’s like the fucking Lebron james of internet debating!

There’s evidence, but our corrupt government is refusing to pursue it. No branch of our government wants to peel back the layers of the decades old onion of corruption. This was our one chance to right the ship without resorting to violence.

I understand you’re being pragmatic, but there’s absolutely no way that sleepy Joe Biden, a frail elderly man with dementia who couldn’t get 50 people at his rallies, garnered the most votes in our history...more than black Jesus and the first female candidate.
It won’t be proven in a court of law, but this election was stolen by the democrats. Let’s just hope that Joe is #5, Kamala is #6 and then Nancy is #7.

Government is definitely corrupt, but I still manage to have a little faith in the judiciary at that level. It's the one place in our system where language actually seems to matter. It is the only check and balance that works, if not always, at least somewhat consistently. More consistently than the legislative and executive by a long shot.

If anyone here is surprised that a lot of Republicans are fucking whores in disguise then you need to step back a little bit. Sure there are zealots that believe in the cause but a whole lot of these people are just whores. On both sides. They would suck a goat dick on television to get elected. I'm being completely serious.

This is 100% dead on accurate. Follow the money.

Have y'all noticed Republican politicians are pretending to be against socialism again suddenly and talking about over spending? I have. Being fiscally conservative is what initially drew me into thinking about them as viable politically 15 years ago.

[Broncojohnny]

Another adverse effect this is going to have on Republicans is it will completely disenfranchise the voting base. No one trusts the election process and rightfully so, so why bother voting. Not only that but a lot of your old school Republicans, turns out they’re really not Republicans at all. Turns out all politicians are the same, they seek money and power. The only hope is the next budget they don’t pass one and the govmt shuts down permanently.

If anyone here is surprised that a lot of Republicans are fucking whores in disguise then you need to step back a little bit. Sure there are zealots that believe in the cause but a whole lot of these people are just whores. On both sides. They would suck a goat dick on television to get elected. I'm being completely serious.

[Broncojohnny]

Let's not forget that the Supreme Court shot the case down because they said Texas lacked standing. They didn't say anything about the merits of the case. That's about the safest way out politically that they could have got out of that situation. Every other avenue was a fucking political disaster.

[Trip McNeely]

Another adverse effect this is going to have on Republicans is it will completely disenfranchise the voting base. No one trusts the election process and rightfully so, so why bother voting. Not only that but a lot of your old school Republicans, turns out they’re really not Republicans at all. Turns out all politicians are the same, they seek money and power. The only hope is the next budget they don’t pass one and the govmt shuts down permanently.

[davbrucas]

If it is so obvious there should be plenty of evidence. As it sits, Republicans have brought jack shit to the judiciary table. Have you read the rulings? At the end of the day, the electorate choses the President anyway. Hillary won the popular vote by nearly 3 million people; didn't turn out so great for her.

There’s evidence, but our corrupt government is refusing to pursue it. No branch of our government wants to peel back the layers of the decades old onion of corruption. This was our one chance to right the ship without resorting to violence.

I understand you’re being pragmatic, but there’s absolutely no way that sleepy Joe Biden, a frail elderly man with dementia who couldn’t get 50 people at his rallies, garnered the most votes in our history...more than black Jesus and the first female candidate.
It won’t be proven in a court of law, but this election was stolen by the democrats. Let’s just hope that Joe is #5, Kamala is #6 and then Nancy is #7.