Suit over national day or prayer dimissed...

[racrguy]

You're free to believe what you wish, but you know you're incorrect in your beliefs.

And the big bang theory came about after the Doppler effect was observed in the universe. You see, it's a natural progression of things. We see x, and try to find out what caused it, then we find that out, and then we try to find out what caused that. It's a never ending cycle.

But at this point the conversation has become God v. Science instead of Theism v. Atheism. One can be a theistic scientist.

[Denny]

So, you're saying you know where it came from? Prove it.

The big bang theory doesn't touch on where the initial mass came from, we don't know. But that doesn't mean we won't know sometime in the future. At least it's a better position to have than "My magical friend in the sky made everything, everywhere. I don't need to question it." Keep on going through life enjoying the fruits of what science and technology has brought you while you and stanleytweedle continue to think from the dark ages.

You are so totally not getting anything from this discussion.

I believe in Creation, as told by the Bible, through my faith in God; not requiring proof. You are evidence-driven, so I simply asked you where that "mass" you BELIEVE blew up came from. Since you're driven by evidence, you should have any answers I pose in regards to this subject. Wasn't it you wanting to school me on this? How can you believe in this bang because of all this evidence if you don't have all the answers?

If you're going to argue, at least come on here with something more than returning my question. I gave you mine. I believe what the Bible says about Creation based on my faith. That is the one thing that really gets non-believers is that I don't require physical evidence. You, on the other hand, cannot back your BELIEFS to save your soul (pardon the pun).

[racrguy]

I fixed your post for you (posting for dummies). And if that is the video you're using for your post, you STILL haven't answered the initial question I posted. Where did that "mass" come from? You can post your religious beliefs on what happened to the "mass," but you STILL haven't answered the only thing I questioned. I will wait patiently.

Right, but his thought process requires proof or he doesn't believe (atheist), so where is his proof? Mine is based soley on faith, so I'm good with what I believe.

We we can BELIEVE that matter was just there one day? Remember, I'm trying to see this from an atheist's point of view. SO if they are truely consistant, they could not have any opinion unless it is backed by some factual evidence. If not, the ATHEIST must BELIEVE in something that hasn't been proven (just like me).

And you guys try to label Christians as hypocrites... LMAO!

So, you're saying you know where it came from? Prove it.

The big bang theory doesn't touch on where the initial mass came from, we don't know. But that doesn't mean we won't know sometime in the future. At least it's a better position to have than "My magical friend in the sky made everything, everywhere. I don't need to question it." Keep on going through life enjoying the fruits of what science and technology has brought you while you and stanleytweedle continue to think from the dark ages.

[YALE]

Yeah so can I. Try to repeat myself in some kind of different way. But, I don't think I will. If the logic presented against atheists is indefensible, unfortunately the exact same would have to apply to the opposite point of view, I'm afraid.

Fuck it, I'll try again. The plaintiff is an atheist, but all atheists aren't being represented by this suit, so whatever the complaint is against the plaintiff's line of reasoning, they don't automatically apply to that of all atheists. I can give you a description of a Venn diagram if you want, but the gist is this: All A's are B's, but not all B's are A's. Draw a big circle, then a smaller one inside, mark the little one, "A," and the big one, "B." "A," represents any singular atheist, which for the purposes of this argument, we'll make the plaintiff. "B," represents all atheists everywhere. See? They have their view of what it means to not believe in god, and they share that lack of belief with all other non-believers, but they don't represent all non-believers by simply proclaiming disbelief, or even proclaiming that they speak for all non-believers. That would be like the Pope's belief that he speaks for all theists holding water. Any one theist doesn't represent all of them.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

Funny that none of them are here to point out how obviously wrong I am. Wonder why? There is a circular "argument" that you invented out of thin air with more holes than the condom the dog used on your mom the day you were conceived. If that is your only "argument" by all means go on considering yourself a super genius while the rest of us sit back and make hilarious quips at your expense.

Probably because everyone here knows its fruitless to argue with someone of your... ineptitude. They just don't even bother. I do, because quite frankly I come to this site to argue. I'm not even a particularly religious person, I just get a little tired of all the bullshit that atheists like to drag up. If you don't think that they persecute the religious every bit as bad as the religious hound people to mend their ways, then you really are blind. Ok yeah, so maybe YOU don't. But your new best friend (or was it alias..?) racecardildo is one of them that just can't seem to quit crying about it and like one of your posts in this thread, I'm just tired of hearing about it so I finally lash out and go looking for a fight. As for making "hilarious" quips at my expense, I don't think its possible for you to understand how little I care. Like I said, I come here to do this. I enjoy this. So please come up with more of your little quips. I like reading them. I really don't think its possible for me to ever actually give a shit. Cause I mean lets be serious... I don't even know what any of you look like.

Yeah keep sucking cock. He'll maybe he'll come defend your pathetic little self in all your arguments here.

I deleted my first post after I saw you actually responded, and I'm forced to point out again: the plaintiff's argument has nothing to do with atheism. Do you see why using the logic they present against atheists in general is indefensible yet? The discussions don't depend on each other, making an assault on atheism born out of your opinion of the plaintiff's opinion a simple ad hominem fallacy. It don't hold water. I don't have to address the beliefs of atheists as a whole, or my own, for your position to be invalid. Your invalidity is independent of those two things. I can try and repeat myself in a different way, if you like.

Yeah so can I. Try to repeat myself in some kind of different way. But, I don't think I will. If the logic presented against atheists is indefensible, unfortunately the exact same would have to apply to the opposite point of view, I'm afraid.

[Denny]

Someone pm me when you guys get this resolved.

I'm good. Just trying to figure out the others.

[slow99]

Someone pm me when you guys get this resolved.

[Denny]

To save you from being all sciency and whatnot, here's a Big Bang for dummies.

I fixed your post for you (posting for dummies). And if that is the video you're using for your post, you STILL haven't answered the initial question I posted. Where did that "mass" come from? You can post your religious beliefs on what happened to the "mass," but you STILL haven't answered the only thing I questioned. I will wait patiently.

In all fairness, in the Abrahamic religions, God didn't "come" from anything... he's just always been there. That's a pretty hard concept to wrap your head around, as well.

Right, but his thought process requires proof or he doesn't believe (atheist), so where is his proof? Mine is based soley on faith, so I'm good with what I believe.

It's pretty much the same idea either way.

1) God came from nothing or God always existed.

2) Matter came from nothing or matter always existed.

If anything, atleast we have physical evidence that matter has existed.

We we can BELIEVE that matter was just there one day? Remember, I'm trying to see this from an atheist's point of view. SO if they are truely consistant, they could not have any opinion unless it is backed by some factual evidence. If not, the ATHEIST must BELIEVE in something that hasn't been proven (just like me).

And you guys try to label Christians as hypocrites... LMAO!

[exlude]

LOL... right. School me, oh wise one. Before you do, think about what I posted before you look foolish.

It's pretty much the same idea either way.

1) God came from nothing or God always existed.

2) Matter came from nothing or matter always existed.

If anything, atleast we have physical evidence that matter has existed.

[The King]

Your knowledge of the Big Bang theory is childish at best.

I like the way it was referred to as "The Big Bag" theory by one of our less-than-stellar posters in the Theology Corner.

[racrguy]

He is right Dennis. It would be like if Tweedle over here suddenly willed himself a brain because he'd always wanted one. It's just highly unlikely.

In all fairness, in the Abrahamic religions, God didn't "come" from anything... he's just always been there. That's a pretty hard concept to wrap your head around, as well.

He is right Dennis. It would be like if Tweedle over here suddenly willed himself a brain because he'd always wanted one. It's just highly unlikely.

[GSRGuy94]

Everything came from nothing... GREAT logic, there!

In all fairness, in the Abrahamic religions, God didn't "come" from anything... he's just always been there. That's a pretty hard concept to wrap your head around, as well.

[racrguy]

LOL... right. School me, oh wise one. Before you do, think about what I posted before you look foolish.

To save you from being all sciency and whatnot, here's a Big Bang for dummies.

Neither was I, so what's your point? You don't have one, cause never got to read the reason that was given to me for the ban. Or have you somehow obtained my password and logged in to my account? Yay, more of your assertions.



You didn't read your own definition?

Disbelief is not believing, or a lack of belief. Do you understand English?

Pretty much sums up this tread.

http://www.atheist-community.org/images/cartoon/2N121218JHy191215Q9eQ.jpg

Perfect!