Self defense or murder?

[LS WHAT ??]

10 yrs max not LIFE.....

[OreoStang]

At the end of the day, he would have never been put in that situation if the punk hadn't have broken the law by participating in armed robbery. It's not like the pharmacist initiated anything or went out and shot an innocent kid.

well put. act like a fool get treated like a fool

[Whiteboy]

I would give the guy a medal. 2 less worthless thugs!

[ceyko]

I can see both sides of the argument, but no matter which side you stand on there is no way in hell he deserves life in prison. Personally I don't think he should be given more than probation, the robber deserved to die, and if the first shots hit him in the head those extra ones didn't make him more dead.

According to the one article, they determined he was alive prior to the 5 additional shots.

Not changing my story, just pointing that out for the knowledge purposes. I gotta wonder what difference it makes though - a headshot is not good for one's future.

[GrayStangGT]

I can see both sides of the argument, but no matter which side you stand on there is no way in hell he deserves life in prison. Personally I don't think he should be given more than probation, the robber deserved to die, and if the first shots hit him in the head those extra ones didn't make him more dead.

[Mikecobra302]

Well, the supporters of the 16 y/o call it racism and I've seen posts saying if it was a white man who did the stick-up - the pharmacist would not have put the other 5 rounds into him.

It's ridiculous, but I suppose the decision has been made and there is nothing that is going to change it - which sucks.

Gotta love the race card...... the world has turned to blaming anyone else except the responsible party. Pretty sad.

[ceyko]

Anyone who commits an ARMED robbery gets everything they deserve should they get killed in the process. I don't give a shit if the guy went back and did the PWN dance on him. Those kids committed armed robbery, everyone in that store was in danger for their lives. I give mad props to the guy for taking care of the threat and saving the innocent people in that store.

The family of the killed kid have ZERO reason to be upset in anything other than their child and family member who would commit the armed robbery. The pharmacist didn't ask to have his life threatened. The fact that he is paying for this with life in jail is ridiculous to me. But hey, welcome to our justice system right?

Well, the supporters of the 16 y/o call it racism and I've seen posts saying if it was a white man who did the stick-up - the pharmacist would not have put the other 5 rounds into him.

It's ridiculous, but I suppose the decision has been made and there is nothing that is going to change it - which sucks.

[Mikecobra302]

Anyone who commits an ARMED robbery gets everything they deserve should they get killed in the process. I don't give a shit if the guy went back and did the PWN dance on him. Those kids committed armed robbery, everyone in that store was in danger for their lives. I give mad props to the guy for taking care of the threat and saving the innocent people in that store.

The family of the killed kid have ZERO reason to be upset in anything other than their child and family member who would commit the armed robbery. The pharmacist didn't ask to have his life threatened. The fact that he is paying for this with life in jail is ridiculous to me. But hey, welcome to our justice system right?

[ceyko]

Doesn't change anything in my mind. Those two should've never entered the store. If I were on the jury I'd hope I'd have the strength to take all the verbal vagina whining of how the robbers were victims and hang the jury. I have no sympathy for the dead fuck even if he wasn't armed. Shoot him sixteen times and put him in a pine box in front of the store with a written warning for all I care.

Oh, I concur - at least on the MURDER aspect of it. I could not in good faith, black, white...asian...mexican...etc find someone guilty of murder in that situation.

[SS Junk]

Doesn't change anything in my mind. Those two should've never entered the store. If I were on the jury I'd hope I'd have the strength to take all the verbal vagina whining of how the robbers were victims and hang the jury. I have no sympathy for the dead fuck even if he wasn't armed. Shoot him sixteen times and put him in a pine box in front of the store with a written warning for all I care.

[ceyko]

Some slightly different information, supposedly he went for a 2nd gun to do the last 5 shots.

http://www.am1280thepatriot.com/article.aspx?id=697e923d-c254-475c-accf-29e762dcc52f&catid=0

Okla. jury convicts pharmacist once hailed as hero
By AP News
Thursday, May 26, 2011

A jury Thursday convicted an Oklahoma City pharmacist of first-degree murder, saying he went too far when he pumped six bullets into a teenager who tried to rob the drug store where he worked, and suggested he spend the rest of his life in prison.

Jerome Ersland, 59, had been hailed as a hero for protecting two co-workers during the May 19, 2009, robbery attempt at the Reliable Discount Pharmacy in a crime-ridden neighborhood in south Oklahoma City.

A prosecutor, however, said that after Ersland shot Antwun Parker in the head, knocking the 16-year-old to the ground, Ersland made himself "judge, jury, executioner" by getting a second handgun and shooting the boy five times in the abdomen. A coroner's report said the latter shots killed Parker.

"This defendant was absolutely not defending himself or anyone else," Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Chance told jurors during closing arguments Thursday.

Defense attorney Irven Box asked jurors to close their eyes and imagine what they would do in the same situation, and told them Ersland had to take action to end a threat.

"He eliminated the armed robber," Box said.

Police said Parker wasn't armed, and since the shooting have disputed Ersland's claim that he was wounded during the robbery attempt. Ersland did not testify at the trial.

The jury _ eight women and four men _ recommended a life sentence after deliberating 3.5 hours. Oklahoma County District Judge Ray Elliott can impose a lighter sentence when Ersland is sentenced July 11, but cannot depart upward. If he accepts the jury's suggestion, Ersland would be eligible for parole after 38 years and three months.

The jury's recommendation carries considerable weight. The defense must ask for a reduced penalty, and Elliott must justify any decision to reject the jurors' suggestion.

Ersland, in a dark jacket and red tie, showed no emotion as the verdict was read and was immediately taken into custody. He remained silent as sheriff's deputies led him in handcuffs to an elevator reserved for defendants.

The victim's family members, including Parker's mother, Cleta Jennings, and his aunt, Mona Stewart, ran out of the courtroom crying when the verdict was announced and wept in the hallway before departing via a public elevator.

Box and District Attorney David Prater declined to comment until after Ersland's sentencing. Jurors left the courthouse after declining to speak.

Ersland, a former Air Force lieutenant colonel, worked at a pharmacy that had been robbed before. Immediately after the shooting, anti-crime advocates and many listeners and viewers of talk shows called Ersland's actions heroic.

A video from the store showed Ersland firing a pistol at two men after they burst into the store, one of them armed. Ersland hit Parker with one shot, knocking him to the ground, and chased the other suspect out the door. After returning to the pharmacy, he retrieved a second gun and shot Parker five more times 46 seconds after firing the first shot.

Jurors visited the pharmacy during the trial.

Box had said Ersland was protected by provisions of Oklahoma's "Make My Day Law," named after a Clint Eastwood line in "Dirty Harry." Legislators in the 1980s initially gave residents the right to use deadly force when they feel threatened inside their homes, then in 2006 extended that to their automobiles or workplaces.

Prater said Ersland had the legal right to defend himself and his co-workers during the attempted robbery _ and did when he fired the first shot that struck Parker in the head, knocking him unconscious. But the district attorney said deadly force must be used responsibly.

"There's got to be limitations on that," Prater said. "This isn't about gun rights. This is about murder."

The second teen who entered the pharmacy with Parker, Jevontai Ingram, was sentenced to a state juvenile facility after pleading guilty to first-degree murder under Oklahoma's felony murder law. That law allows a murder charge against someone when an accomplice is killed during the commission of a crime.

Prosecutors say two men, Anthony D. Morrison, 44, and Emanuel Mitchell, 33, recruited the teens and helped plan the robbery. They were convicted of first-degree murder in early May and sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole. Near the end of their trial, Mitchell slugged Prater in the face at the end of Prater's closing statement in the penalty phase. Deputies jumped on Mitchell to subdue him and took him away.

As Ersland's trial wrapped up Thursday, 10 sheriff's deputies stood by in the packed courtroom and Elliott warned the crowd to remain orderly.

"This has been a very emotional case for all parties involved," Elliott said. "If you feel for whatever reason you can't maintain your composure, I suggest you step out in the hall."

[ceyko]

Some interesting facebook pages, generally it seems like a race thing at this point...

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Do-not-free-jerome-ersland/204062856304284

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jerome-Ersland-must-pay/123526121062891

Many mentions of a "black mans" (note man, not kid...so even his peers feel he was a man) life meaning nothing - they just IGNORE the fact that he came in there with a gun trying to rob the place. They just pretend like that had nothing to do with anything.

[racrguy]

What has been said, I agree with. The minute they broke into that guys house, all bets were off. If I were in that jury, he'd be spending time with his family right now, not rotting in a jail cell with real criminals. Fucking shame I tell ya. But it's not just the jury, it's the DA for deciding to prosecute the case, and the judge for not throwing it out, and the defense attorney for being a complete asshat.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Manslaughter at worst. He wouldn't see a day of jail if I were on the jury. Don't be a thieving little cracker and you won't get shot.

[Taylor]

Whitey is a fucking moron. Should have got them both though.