2013 GT500 - 9.95 @ 142mph

[quikag]

Al spoke correctly...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Falcon_(Australia)#Seventh_generation_.282008.E2.80.93.29

The 5.0-litre 'modular V8' engine is currently the Ford Performance Vehicles' V8 engine, released in June 2010. Initially two versions were released, one rated at 315 kilowatts (422 hp) and 545 newton metres (402 lb·ft) of torque and the other at 335 kilowatts (449 hp) and 570 newton metres (420 lb·ft) of torque. Both engines carry the 'Boss' moniker, with the 315 kW version dubbed the "Boss 315", and the more powerful version dubbed the "Boss 335".

No way is the Boss 335 supercharged? That doesn't even make sense. An extra 42 horposewer and only 18lb/ft of torque?

[quikag]

Who cares, most of the fuggers that can afford these rides can't drive them anyway. Like the dipshit in the ZL1 I saw at Red Lobster a couple weeks ago, I gave him the thumbs up for a nice looking car and he got all egotistical on me......lol. I could probably drag his old no driving ass down the track, even a 100 hp can't make up for stupid.

I think that applies to pretty much any car. You can't fault the car just because the driver can't exploit all of it's capabilities. Guys who buy these "fast" factory cars just like to know what the car can do whether they exploit it or not. They like carrying a big stick around even if they don't smack people with it (or can't smack people with it because they suck).

[White_lightning]

449hp not kw?

Al spoke correctly...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Falcon_(Australia)#Seventh_generation_.282008.E2.80.93.29

The 5.0-litre 'modular V8' engine is currently the Ford Performance Vehicles' V8 engine, released in June 2010. Initially two versions were released, one rated at 315 kilowatts (422 hp) and 545 newton metres (402 lb·ft) of torque and the other at 335 kilowatts (449 hp) and 570 newton metres (420 lb·ft) of torque. Both engines carry the 'Boss' moniker, with the 315 kW version dubbed the "Boss 315", and the more powerful version dubbed the "Boss 335".

[VaderTT]

Just FYI, Ford already has a blown coyote engine in production in Australia too, it is in the Falcon GT. It only makes 449 hp which is kind of strange. I was kind of expecting them to try this route with the GT500 for 2013.

449hp not kw?

[GARS04]

Who cares, most of the fuggers that can afford these rides can't drive them anyway. Like the dipshit in the ZL1 I saw at Red Lobster a couple weeks ago, I gave him the thumbs up for a nice looking car and he got all egotistical on me......lol. I could probably drag his old no driving ass down the track, even a 100 hp can't make up for stupid.

[gnturboray]

They both make great power, it comes down to who can put it work. Mustamg vs Camaro....straight line Mustang FTW. Sorry, but it's true.


My personal experience, the Ls3 is a bad bitch. I know for a "Fact", they can make 800 rwhp and survive DD habits at ease. I know because I done it, beat the ever lasting shit out of it in a 4000 pound car. Missed shifts on a button and all.

Not only that, the car had two separate drivers. There wasn't a single time I got in the car and didn't take it to 7400 rpm at least once just rowing gears. I made passes at the track just to keep the rust off of me. Granite the wife would have divorced me if she knew. She didn't want me to drive so I didn't. He did.

I wouldn't call 800 rwhp Ls3 a max effort build, it was on pump gas for sure. We made that much power through the stock fuel system with nitrous. 542 all motor and 80x on the spray.

For you guys questioning either build is entertaining. Do a mod for mod pound for pound boost test and I believe you'll see the OLD pushrod motor works well enough to compete vs the coyote.

I agree, the GM LS pushrod motors maybe old school tech but they can handle a punch and perform very well with mods.

[OrangeChevyII]

They both make great power, it comes down to who can put it work. Mustamg vs Camaro....straight line Mustang FTW. Sorry, but it's true.


My personal experience, the Ls3 is a bad bitch. I know for a "Fact", they can make 800 rwhp and survive DD habits at ease. I know because I done it, beat the ever lasting shit out of it in a 4000 pound car. Missed shifts on a button and all.

Not only that, the car had two separate drivers. There wasn't a single time I got in the car and didn't take it to 7400 rpm at least once just rowing gears. I made passes at the track just to keep the rust off of me. Granite the wife would have divorced me if she knew. She didn't want me to drive so I didn't. He did.

I wouldn't call 800 rwhp Ls3 a max effort build, it was on pump gas for sure. We made that much power through the stock fuel system with nitrous. 542 all motor and 80x on the spray.

For you guys questioning either build is entertaining. Do a mod for mod pound for pound boost test and I believe you'll see the OLD pushrod motor works well enough to compete vs the coyote.

[Broncojohnny]

I heard the 6.2 truck engine in the new Ford pick-ups is based on old engine architecture (i.e not Coyote). Is the 6.2 Ford engine a bored and stroked 5.4 or what? I'm genuinely curious?

I'm just happy to see Ford back in the game with powerplants. They've been behind GM for quite a while with their old school 4.6 and 5.4 powerplants, so it's good to see these new 5.0 engines, newish 6.2 truck engines, and the 5.8 blown monster Ford is putting out nowadays.

Now, it's time for the Gen 5 small blocks to come out from GM and they will invariably raise the bar again. Competition is good.

Just FYI, Ford already has a blown coyote engine in production in Australia too, it is in the Falcon GT. It only makes 449 hp which is kind of strange. I was kind of expecting them to try this route with the GT500 for 2013.

[quikag]

Old school, son you need to go do some reading before you go flapping your gums about something you have no clue about. If anyones using a 'old school' design its chebby and their Ed Cole designed small block, homer...

I meant old school from a power output standpoint. Seriously, the 4.6 and the 5.4 engines were dogs compared to the 4.8, 5.3, 5.7, 6.0, 6.2, and 7.0 engines available from GM. Besides the blown 5.4 in the GT500/ Ford GT, nothing Ford made in the last 10+ years was over what 335hp in their 5.4 truck engine? Maybe the 6.8L V10 made a little more, but it was a torque engine in the trucks, not a drag racer.

So funny, I spout off stats, engine displacements, horsepower levels, etc. and I get these stupid responses like, "you don't know what you're talking about...you're ignorant, go do some reading, etc." and then said stupid responses list ZERO FACTS to substantiate the call-out.

I clearly know a little about what I'm talking about when I'm a GM guy, but still know quite a bit about Ford engine history, at least over the last 15-20 years.

[Mach1]

Old school, son you need to go do some reading before you go flapping your gums about something you have no clue about. If anyones using a 'old school' design its chebby and their Ed Cole designed small block, homer...

Lol wtf, i think he was using old school for comparison sake.
Lsx is more ford design than ed cole

[Rick Modena]

I'm just happy to see Ford back in the game with powerplants. They've been behind GM for quite a while with their old school 4.6 and 5.4 powerplants

Old school, son you need to go do some reading before you go flapping your gums about something you have no clue about. If anyones using a 'old school' design its chebby and their Ed Cole designed small block, homer...

[quikag]

How much more power does a 6.0ls make over a 5.7ls? Or a 302 vs 331?

The ls9 is a bad bitch, but so is fords new 5.8.

If-if-if-if ford used a modified coyote head on thier current 6.2l truck engine and put a blower on it, how much power do you think it would make? I think a lot.

Not that this holds any weight, but I was reading an article in a truck magazine, it was the raptor engine (6.2l) vs the silverado (6.2l). Bone stock the ford made more power and torque by a conserible amount and it made the power lower in the rpm range.. So they put the same supercharger kit (centrifugal) on each truck, same boost ect.. And fords made a retarded amount more power them the GM, something like 50+ hp and Torque.. And that's ford SOHC, I wonder what It would do with DOHC VVT?

GM 6.2l is a nasty motor, OCII proved that to me in the "FRIDGE" for headers and a tune + w/e else it was moving for a big heavy pick up.

I heard the 6.2 truck engine in the new Ford pick-ups is based on old engine architecture (i.e not Coyote). Is the 6.2 Ford engine a bored and stroked 5.4 or what? I'm genuinely curious?

I'm just happy to see Ford back in the game with powerplants. They've been behind GM for quite a while with their old school 4.6 and 5.4 powerplants, so it's good to see these new 5.0 engines, newish 6.2 truck engines, and the 5.8 blown monster Ford is putting out nowadays.

Now, it's time for the Gen 5 small blocks to come out from GM and they will invariably raise the bar again. Competition is good.

[DON SVO]

That makes sense, do you think the ford GT will ever come back?

It has some pretty big shoes to fill being that fords main goal with any of the GTs is to beat Ferrari.. The 458 would be it's competition in today's world.. And that's a very awesome car.

If Ford were to produce another supercar, it would have to be something ferocious. I say that because the 'duh' would be to just compete with the ZR1, but GM has a big benefit to having the existing low-rent Corvette platform to work off of... Ford would have to compete with it and price it accordingly, which I imagine the accounting dept. would shit all over.

I wish Ford could produce a new 2 seater coupe that on the surface competes with the C6, 370z, Boxter S, BMW Z series etc, but like the Corvette has the capacity to be modified heavily and cheaply.

[91CoupeMike]

I doubt Ford ever does anything like this. I've read up on Ford and their spray bore tech... They'll bastardize existing blocks before doing a big ass one-off for a specialty car. Not saying they might not produce the engine in some capacity for a longer-term project with lots of production (like the 5.4L started off as a truck engine and ended up in the 2000 Cobra R, for instance) but $$$-wise it doesn't make sense.

That makes sense, do you think the ford GT will ever come back?

It has some pretty big shoes to fill being that fords main goal with any of the GTs is to beat Ferrari.. The 458 would be it's competition in today's world.. And that's a very awesome car.

[DON SVO]

Yes I know this.

What I was saying, not that it's possible but to take 6.2l displacement from the new 6.2 SOHC and somehow throw dohc coyote style heads on it.. Pretty much just make a larger displacement coyote engine w/ a tvs.

Put it in a new ford GT.. !

I doubt Ford ever does anything like this. I've read up on Ford and their spray bore tech... They'll bastardize existing blocks before doing a big ass one-off for a specialty car. Not saying they might not produce the engine in some capacity for a longer-term project with lots of production (like the 5.4L started off as a truck engine and ended up in the 2000 Cobra R, for instance) but $$$-wise it doesn't make sense.