Tactical Upgrade Kit for carbine length AR

[CJ]

The handguard moves on the drop ins. Sure it doesn't move a whole lot, but the FF guards are more stable, thus holding the scope on zero. If you move what the scope is mounted to relative to the gun, it won't be zeroed...

They dont move if installed correctly, that is false. I have a red dot mounted forward with a PVS-14 behind it and it hasn't lost its zero. I don't know if you've been using UTG or some other cheap hand guards, but quality ones don't walk around.

[bottlerocket]

They dont move if installed correctly, that is false. I have a red dot mounted forward with a PVS-14 behind it and it hasn't lost its zero. I don't know if you've been using UTG or some other cheap hand guards, but quality ones don't walk around.

So what is a "quality" drop in rail? And at what price point? You can get a FF YHM for $127 and not worry about it

[YALE]

Why?

Thanks for spending time on that professor. I'm sure everyone here can now sleep soundly at night.

You asked!

[bottlerocket]

You asked!

Yep, which is why I thanked you.

[CJ]

So what is a "quality" drop in rail? And at what price point? You can get a FF YHM for $127 and not worry about it

The purpose of me pursuing the point of fact is to extinguish the aforementioned stigma that clamp on style fore grips cause things to go out of zero. I think YHM makes great affordable hand guards, but I think people that spend $2-400 on hand guards for 16" carbines are fools.

[slow06]

Primary Arms red dot and magnifier. For the money spent, I couldn't be happier.

I run the same setup, no problems and i'm happy with it but...all this for a Chinese clone?

[ThreeFingerPete]

We can settle this dispute by all the tactical toms buying free floating 4" diameter quad/octo rails to mount every piece of picatinny gear they can buy at Cheaper Than Dirt, and the rest of us just buying shit that makes sense.

[bigmuskie]

We can settle this dispute by all the tactical toms buying free floating 4" diameter quad/octo rails to mount every piece of picatinny gear they can buy at Cheaper Than Dirt, and the rest of us just buying shit that makes sense.

Alright then chief, educate us. What would be your all around shooter? Specifically a 16" barreled AR in either carbine or mid-length gas system. How would you set up your rifle to shoot out at the range and also, take hunting? Almost forgot, chambered in 223.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Prioritize your wants and needs. Address them in order of importance.

My Ar15 is way too plain for all of you commandos.

It's a 16" mid-length that wears an newfangled eotech things, or a Zeiss 3-9x40, depending on which way the wind blows.

[motoman]

Alright then chief, educate us. What would be your all around shooter? Specifically a 16" barreled AR in either carbine or mid-length gas system. How would you set up your rifle to shoot out at the range and also, take hunting? Almost forgot, chambered in 223.

That's a pretty loaded question there... chief. One of the things I've learned from CJ & Adam is the equipment you use is only as good as the person using it. Keep it simple and learn to use your basics first. At a range you should be able to use your iron sights to at least 100 yards with no problem.

[bottlerocket]

The purpose of me pursuing the point of fact is to extinguish the aforementioned stigma that clamp on style fore grips cause things to go out of zero. I think YHM makes great affordable hand guards, but I think people that spend $2-400 on hand guards for 16" carbines are fools.

So you're saying that the FF guards will not budge and I can regularly rely on them to be sturdy enough to keep my scope zeroed after 1-200 rounds? Because I haven't seen any suggestions for a "good" FF guard, and even if the FF will move slightly, it still seems worth it to have the optics more secure.

Prioritize your wants and needs. Address them in order of importance.

My Ar15 is way too plain for all of you commandos.

It's a 16" mid-length that wears an newfangled eotech things, or a Zeiss 3-9x40, depending on which way the wind blows.

Yea, all of us commandos, since thats about the same as mine except I would like a foregrip. The holier than thou anti-tacticool act is played out.

I run the same setup, no problems and i'm happy with it but...all this for a Chinese clone?

Why not? Do you not like to put your eye behind your optics and know its gonna hit what the dot is pointed at?

[bigmuskie]

Prioritize your wants and needs. Address them in order of importance.

My Ar15 is way too plain for all of you commandos.

It's a 16" mid-length that wears an newfangled eotech things, or a Zeiss 3-9x40, depending on which way the wind blows.

When I bought my Rock River AR last year, I wanted the look of an uncluttered, free of a lot of shit I would never use on an AR. I tried some Bushnell red dot at first, wasn't happy so I boxed the thing back up and sat it on a shelf. Second mod was some Magpul black ladders that reside on three sides of the rails, none on the top rail. Needing a BUIS to go with the flip-up front sight, I installed a Troy flip-up site that I use to this day. I'm happy with iron sites on my rifle, so I won't change it. At the same time, it is an issue when I can't see where I'm impacting on paper. My second AR build, I'm wanting something similar to the Vortex Viper PST with 1-4 magnification. Who knows, I may just end up with the Viper VST, haven't gotten that far yet. My way of thinking is less is more. I don't have, nor do I care for fore grips (vertical or angled), lasers or flash lights. Have no use for them. Anyhow, I'm a newbie and I am very thankful for any kind of knowledge I might gain, whether it's here or another forum, doesn't matter.

[bigmuskie]

That's a pretty loaded question there... chief. One of the things I've learned from CJ & Adam is the equipment you use is only as good as the person using it. Keep it simple and learn to use your basics first. At a range you should be able to use your iron sights to at least 100 yards with no problem.

I can say with certainty, that all of my guns (yes threefingerpete, even that Sigma lol) will out shoot me.

I've taken my iron sighted AR on the 100 yard range, but it seemed kind of pointless since I had no way of seeing where my impacts on paper were. Time for some binoculars or spotting scope.

[CJ]

So you're saying that the FF guards will not budge and I can regularly rely on them to be sturdy enough to keep my scope zeroed after 1-200 rounds? Because I haven't seen any suggestions for a "good" FF guard, and even if the FF will move slightly, it still seems worth it to have the optics more secure.



Yea, all of us commandos, since thats about the same as mine except I would like a foregrip. The holier than thou anti-tacticool act is played out.



Why not? Do you not like to put your eye behind your optics and know its gonna hit what the dot is pointed at?

You don't even need a railed handguard, you need a scope mount with a long forward offset, keep them both on the receiver.

[bottlerocket]

You don't even need a railed handguard, you need a scope mount with a long forward offset, keep them both on the receiver.

Didnt even know that was an option. Mine only has the one, even the manufacturer notes that both the sight and magnifier cant fit w/ the BUIS.

http://primaryarms.com/product.sc?productId=35&categoryId=419

are they universal mounts so I can get a longer one?