Tactical Upgrade Kit for carbine length AR

[David]

I neckbearded out my m16.

[Moose242]

This thread is severely lacking in the word "neckbeard". So many perfect opportunities wasted.



I am disappointed DFWMustangs.

[AnthonyS]

Free float guards are useful if you're shooting a 20"+ Target AR out past 500 yards. Inside that they are a waste of cash imho. Service rifles group excellent up to those ranges with standard clamp handguards. It's high end finite applications being perverted and trickling down to extort cash from novice users in my opinion. I've spent a hell of a lot of money and can speak from experience 95% of peoples' rifles already do everything they want, they just don't know how to properly shoot them. I'm willing to bet you I couldn't tell a difference at 500 yards with my 24" AR with or without a free float. The only real benefit I could even think of on an a carbine is MAYBE heat reduction because of less contact with the barrel, but even then that's really reaching for it.

This is why my AR is a plain vanilla 20" A2 style build. I shot the M16 version of this enough in the military to know the rifle is more accurate than I will ever be. I don't like to waste money on "toys" either. My firearms serve a purpose. If I want to blow money on toys I have bikes, R/C airplanes and a car for that.

I do spend money on ammo to practice, but I am not getting enough practice in either.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Yea, all of us commandos, since thats about the same as mine except I would like a foregrip. The holier than thou anti-tacticool act is played out.

http://swfa.com/Bobro-Single-Cantile...nt-P47212.aspx Would probably put your red dot far enough forward to get the job while still mounting it on your receiver.

K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple, Stupid. Very good words to live by. They sell millions of dollars a year of junk shit for people to strap onto their "Home defense/Varmint/CQB/EOTFW/Plinking" guns. You want to buy it? Have at it. If budget were an issue, I'd keep the irons and get some binoculars. Even if I had more money that I could count, you still wouldn't see me loading my guns down with every accessory I can fit on a rail unless my activity necessitated it.

[bottlerocket]

You don't even need a railed handguard, you need a scope mount with a long forward offset, keep them both on the receiver.

Didnt even know that was an option. Mine only has the one, even the manufacturer notes that both the sight and magnifier cant fit w/ the BUIS.

http://primaryarms.com/product.sc?productId=35&categoryId=419

are they universal mounts so I can get a longer one?

[CJ]

So you're saying that the FF guards will not budge and I can regularly rely on them to be sturdy enough to keep my scope zeroed after 1-200 rounds? Because I haven't seen any suggestions for a "good" FF guard, and even if the FF will move slightly, it still seems worth it to have the optics more secure.



Yea, all of us commandos, since thats about the same as mine except I would like a foregrip. The holier than thou anti-tacticool act is played out.



Why not? Do you not like to put your eye behind your optics and know its gonna hit what the dot is pointed at?

You don't even need a railed handguard, you need a scope mount with a long forward offset, keep them both on the receiver.

[bigmuskie]

That's a pretty loaded question there... chief. One of the things I've learned from CJ & Adam is the equipment you use is only as good as the person using it. Keep it simple and learn to use your basics first. At a range you should be able to use your iron sights to at least 100 yards with no problem.

I can say with certainty, that all of my guns (yes threefingerpete, even that Sigma lol) will out shoot me.

I've taken my iron sighted AR on the 100 yard range, but it seemed kind of pointless since I had no way of seeing where my impacts on paper were. Time for some binoculars or spotting scope.

[bigmuskie]

Prioritize your wants and needs. Address them in order of importance.

My Ar15 is way too plain for all of you commandos.

It's a 16" mid-length that wears an newfangled eotech things, or a Zeiss 3-9x40, depending on which way the wind blows.

When I bought my Rock River AR last year, I wanted the look of an uncluttered, free of a lot of shit I would never use on an AR. I tried some Bushnell red dot at first, wasn't happy so I boxed the thing back up and sat it on a shelf. Second mod was some Magpul black ladders that reside on three sides of the rails, none on the top rail. Needing a BUIS to go with the flip-up front sight, I installed a Troy flip-up site that I use to this day. I'm happy with iron sites on my rifle, so I won't change it. At the same time, it is an issue when I can't see where I'm impacting on paper. My second AR build, I'm wanting something similar to the Vortex Viper PST with 1-4 magnification. Who knows, I may just end up with the Viper VST, haven't gotten that far yet. My way of thinking is less is more. I don't have, nor do I care for fore grips (vertical or angled), lasers or flash lights. Have no use for them. Anyhow, I'm a newbie and I am very thankful for any kind of knowledge I might gain, whether it's here or another forum, doesn't matter.

[bottlerocket]

The purpose of me pursuing the point of fact is to extinguish the aforementioned stigma that clamp on style fore grips cause things to go out of zero. I think YHM makes great affordable hand guards, but I think people that spend $2-400 on hand guards for 16" carbines are fools.

So you're saying that the FF guards will not budge and I can regularly rely on them to be sturdy enough to keep my scope zeroed after 1-200 rounds? Because I haven't seen any suggestions for a "good" FF guard, and even if the FF will move slightly, it still seems worth it to have the optics more secure.

Prioritize your wants and needs. Address them in order of importance.

My Ar15 is way too plain for all of you commandos.

It's a 16" mid-length that wears an newfangled eotech things, or a Zeiss 3-9x40, depending on which way the wind blows.

Yea, all of us commandos, since thats about the same as mine except I would like a foregrip. The holier than thou anti-tacticool act is played out.

I run the same setup, no problems and i'm happy with it but...all this for a Chinese clone?

Why not? Do you not like to put your eye behind your optics and know its gonna hit what the dot is pointed at?

[motoman]

Alright then chief, educate us. What would be your all around shooter? Specifically a 16" barreled AR in either carbine or mid-length gas system. How would you set up your rifle to shoot out at the range and also, take hunting? Almost forgot, chambered in 223.

That's a pretty loaded question there... chief. One of the things I've learned from CJ & Adam is the equipment you use is only as good as the person using it. Keep it simple and learn to use your basics first. At a range you should be able to use your iron sights to at least 100 yards with no problem.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Prioritize your wants and needs. Address them in order of importance.

My Ar15 is way too plain for all of you commandos.

It's a 16" mid-length that wears an newfangled eotech things, or a Zeiss 3-9x40, depending on which way the wind blows.

[bigmuskie]

We can settle this dispute by all the tactical toms buying free floating 4" diameter quad/octo rails to mount every piece of picatinny gear they can buy at Cheaper Than Dirt, and the rest of us just buying shit that makes sense.

Alright then chief, educate us. What would be your all around shooter? Specifically a 16" barreled AR in either carbine or mid-length gas system. How would you set up your rifle to shoot out at the range and also, take hunting? Almost forgot, chambered in 223.

[ThreeFingerPete]

We can settle this dispute by all the tactical toms buying free floating 4" diameter quad/octo rails to mount every piece of picatinny gear they can buy at Cheaper Than Dirt, and the rest of us just buying shit that makes sense.

[slow06]

Primary Arms red dot and magnifier. For the money spent, I couldn't be happier.

I run the same setup, no problems and i'm happy with it but...all this for a Chinese clone?

[CJ]

So what is a "quality" drop in rail? And at what price point? You can get a FF YHM for $127 and not worry about it

The purpose of me pursuing the point of fact is to extinguish the aforementioned stigma that clamp on style fore grips cause things to go out of zero. I think YHM makes great affordable hand guards, but I think people that spend $2-400 on hand guards for 16" carbines are fools.