Saiga Ban

[CJ]

Magtech makes them, these were the standard before paper/plastic multi-piece shot shells were invented. In WW1/WW2 they had brass shells.

[kingjason]

You can load some full brass cased shells and use one for the top of each mag.

I had it deform the top four one time. One was so bad the pellets dropped out into the magazine. Loved the gun just not what I had ultimately hoped for. After I had the bolt polished and re worked it was better but still not perfect.

I have never heard of a brass case before. I am going to google that now.

[CJ]

You know, if these were fully functional shotguns out of the box and good for home protection, or hunting, I would say what a tragedy. However, they are really just fun to play with. The rifles may be something to get if you have always wanted one but I wouldn't jump on the shotty bandwagon. I believe some American companies are making a magazine fed shotty now anyways.

For anyone wanting a magazine fed shotty, you need to realize that the real weak point is in the shells. Anytime you have shells loaded one on top of the other with pressure involved you have the possibility of deformed shells that will not feed. I had ever mod in the book almost on my Saiga but if you left it in the corner with the slide forward it would deform the top three or four shells over time. My solution for a while was to leave the slide locked back. Then you have the recoil spring getting weaker over time. Not a huge concern but just not a throw in the corner and neglect pump. I do not regret buying and modifying the gun, I just know I would have done something else if I knew the end result. They can be made to be very reliable, but you have to know a lot of ins and outs to really get maximum use out of it.

You can load some full brass cased shells and use one for the top of each mag.

[Trick Pony]

I want to say like 1299.00 or something. Basic Saigas went for 799.00 but by the time you converted them and made them reliable you were close to that number. Shit I cannot remember now.

When I was shopping before, VEPR-12 prices were $800-1000. They were a little more when they first came out.

[kingjason]

The Saiga 12's had finally gotten down to under $700. Recently Classic, or maybe it was centerfire, had them for around $630 I believe.

You know, if these were fully functional shotguns out of the box and good for home protection, or hunting, I would say what a tragedy. However, they are really just fun to play with. The rifles may be something to get if you have always wanted one but I wouldn't jump on the shotty bandwagon. I believe some American companies are making a magazine fed shotty now anyways.

For anyone wanting a magazine fed shotty, you need to realize that the real weak point is in the shells. Anytime you have shells loaded one on top of the other with pressure involved you have the possibility of deformed shells that will not feed. I had ever mod in the book almost on my Saiga but if you left it in the corner with the slide forward it would deform the top three or four shells over time. My solution for a while was to leave the slide locked back. Then you have the recoil spring getting weaker over time. Not a huge concern but just not a throw in the corner and neglect pump. I do not regret buying and modifying the gun, I just know I would have done something else if I knew the end result. They can be made to be very reliable, but you have to know a lot of ins and outs to really get maximum use out of it.

[Machx2]

If you want a Saiga .223 get it now. Make an offer for $550, should work.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_900/products_id/81153/RWC+Group+IZ114+Saiga+Rifle+10%2B1+223REM5.56NATO+16.3%22

[Moose242]

are you sure? I've read elsewhere this is Executive order which means it can be removed anytime and by any future pres

It is. But we still have Bush's 1989 Executive Order import ban, Clinton's, and now Obama's.

They don't go away.

[Machx2]

are you sure? I've read elsewhere this is Executive order which means it can be removed anytime and by any future pres

Wasn't Clintons ban on Norinco in 1993 an executive order?

[Mach1Run]

Looking for a Vepr 12, anybody got any leads? Can't find one in stock.

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/vepr-12fs.aspx

[John -- '02 HAWK]

No, this is permanent.

are you sure? I've read elsewhere this is Executive order which means it can be removed anytime and by any future pres

[likeitfast55]

Also they are in the town of Tula...... they have to own a piece of those guys as well.

[Mach1Run]

Everything I am reading says no more Vepr. If KC has any kind of financial interests in a company they got banned, oversimplified explanation maybe?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/07/18/russian-guns-can-still-legally-imported/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

[likeitfast55]

Molot is on the list of bans? I know Molot, the maker of VEPR rifles, is also a holding of Kalashnikov Concern. - Kind of un-clear to me. What do you guys think?

[phaux]

I want to say like 1299.00 or something. Basic Saigas went for 799.00 but by the time you converted them and made them reliable you were close to that number. Shit I cannot remember now.

The Saiga 12's had finally gotten down to under $700. Recently Classic, or maybe it was centerfire, had them for around $630 I believe.

[kingjason]

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...i+Auto+Shotgun

1300.00. No idea what they went for pre ban.

I want to say like 1299.00 or something. Basic Saigas went for 799.00 but by the time you converted them and made them reliable you were close to that number. Shit I cannot remember now.