Another Pit kills a baby

[jluv]

agreed... but a lot of other dogs that are highly capable of killing (which is the definition of killing machine BTW) aren't coveted by trash for their bad ass killing abilities.

I wouldn't leave a baby around a lab, german shepherd, etc. Nor would most responsible dog owners. I've met a lot of responsible pit bull owners, but MOST I've met/encountered were trash.

Now you're on the reasonable side of the fence. Too bad I know you won't stay there.

[ELVIS]

i sure hope we get a FTP thread soon!

god bless.

[Cooter]

http://www.xtremebullypitbulls.com/

[CJ]

What you say applies to a lot of breeds, though. For the record, pit bulls are considered to be of higher than average intelligence among dogs.

A lot of points made in this thread are valid, or at least somewhat valid. There's just a shit ton of moronic shit mixed in.

I do know they are above average intelligence, but what I'm arguing is their physical prowess is a liability given their extremely low level of intelligence in comparison to a human being. Now, obviously I'm not going to merit a great deal of concurrence comparing a dog to a human, however keep in mind the dog has an even higher ability to physically hurt you than even your average human. Whether it is another breed or not, primarily my focus is the physical ability of a dog to kill a human, regardless of the breed, and that responsibility being placed into the capacity of a dog is the liability that concerns me. It's a great deal of trust to place into the mental capacity of an animal, especially one that sleeps in your house.

[Cooter]

Now you're on the reasonable side of the fence. Too bad I know you won't stay there.

so it's reasonable to say that most pit bull owners are trash? IE, pit bulls are trash? I thought you disagreed with that earlier

[Cooter]

lol

http://www.awolkennels.com/ancestors.php

[CJ]

so it's reasonable to say that most pit bull owners are trash? IE, pit bulls are trash? I thought you disagreed with that earlier

There's no doubt pit bulls have attracted the attention of trash thug inner city life. But, so does anything that carries the image of power or violence - see assault rifles. Inner city culture is a prison mentality. They demand the things they are not capable of earning from society - respect, power, and money. All of these things are a reflection of that.

[jluv]

That shut disgusts me as much or more than anyone. It should disgust anyone who really ares about te breed and knows how great they can be. And there are a lot of us out there. We and our dogs don't get as much exposure. People who have/want/promote their dogs to be mean-looking, chain wearing beasts are indeed trash. In many cases, the dogs aren't. Many of those types of dogs can be pulled from that environment and eventually used as rescue dogs, loving pets, to cheer up old people in nursing homes, etc. For every attack you hear about (of which many likely aren't even pit bulls), there are lots of dogs out there that never harm anyone. You just won't see that in any headlines.

[Cooter]

There's no doubt pit bulls have attracted the attention of trash thug inner city life. But, so does anything that carries the image of power or violence - see assault rifles. Inner city culture is a prison mentality. They demand the things they are not capable of earning from society - respect, power, and money. All of these things are a reflection of that.

agreed... the difference is (as you outlined before) a rifle is an inanimate object

[SS Junk]

There's just a shit ton of moronic shit mixed in.

Agreed. The frequency of this topic regarding where a pit bull causing injury or death being brought up and those who defend it faithfully with the "you just don't understand..." every time. Extremely moronic.

[Cooter]

That shut disgusts me as much or more than anyone. It should disgust anyone who really ares about te breed and knows how great they can be. And there are a lot of us out there. We and our dogs don't get as much exposure. People who have/want/promote their dogs to be mean-looking, chain wearing beasts are indeed trash. In many cases, the dogs aren't. Many of those types of dogs can be pulled from that environment and eventually used as rescue dogs, loving pets, to cheer up old people in nursing homes, etc. For every attack you hear about (of which many likely aren't even pit bulls), there are lots of dogs out there that never harm anyone. You just won't see that in any headlines.

keep fighting the good fight then, I guess...

[jluv]

so it's reasonable to say that most pit bull owners are trash? IE, pit bulls are trash? I thought you disagreed with that earlier

Not most. Far from it. That wasn't the part I was agreeing with, just that most of your post was pretty reasonable compared to some of your others.

Some pitbull owners are trash. Far too many. Ive never denied that. But there are still way more who aren't.

[Strychnine]

Im not saying ONLY Pit Bulls are unpredictable, but every time you hear about a dog killing someone, it's a PIT BULL 95% of the time.

lulwut?

60% of the time it works every time.

[CJ]

That shut disgusts me as much or more than anyone. It should disgust anyone who really ares about te breed and knows how great they can be. And there are a lot of us out there. We and our dogs don't get as much exposure. People who have/want/promote their dogs to be mean-looking, chain wearing beasts are indeed trash. In many cases, the dogs aren't. Many of those types of dogs can be pulled from that environment and eventually used as rescue dogs, loving pets, to cheer up old people in nursing homes, etc. For every attack you hear about (of which many likely aren't even pit bulls), there are lots of dogs out there that never harm anyone. You just won't see that in any headlines.

It is unfortunate, but the irresponsibility of these inner city thug life owners will ruin this breeds reputation (as it already has, for the most part). And more than likely cause the breed to be outlawed eventually given the current big government climate. It will garner more attention from the media, violence from these dogs will be inflated, and they will be the whipping boy. I personally struggle to find a realistic basis to explain the image this breed has, and I think there are a few legitimate grievances to be had with this breed. I feel the persona and image of these dogs is based on some degree of reality (in them being highly muscular and physically able) but like most outlawed or banned things, it's the fear of what people do not understand, and not the reality of the situation. Most importantly the image these dogs carry does affect the way they are bred, and the way they are raised to some degree, or at least in higher percentages compared to other breeds. Because of this perception, and the fact it does affect the way they are raised - there will be an increased percentage of violence from this breed. Unfortunately unless you can abolish the perception (which you can't) this breed will always struggle with it.

[MutherjuggZ]

To say that a 13 day old baby should never be left alone is impractical. That baby was asleep in a swing, probably in the living room, which is when most new Mom's make a mad dash for a shower, laundry, dishes, ect. Unless you can say they 'sic'd' the dog on them it is a tragedy, not a crime. I'm sure the parents are torturing themselves enough.

It's extremely impractical to say a 13 day old baby can't be left alone for a few minutes. What's also impractical is keeping indoor pets when you have a newborn. Their fur, pet dander, and ability to be all the animal they're destined to be are too much exposure for a 13 day old.

After having my first born I got rid of my indoor cat. WHY? I don't need some fucking animal crawling around on my baby while I'm in the shower. That's just me though. I realize I can't be pet patrol and parent 100% of the time in multiple locations simultaneously, so I removed the possible threat.


Anyone who has children know exactly how many times they had to get up and go in the other room for split moments at a time day in and day out, year after year. You can't teather the kid to yourself for crying out loud, and if someone did they'd be reported for abuse.

It's as simple as this. If you allow your child to play with an animal, you are taking a calculated risk. Most people calculate that the risk is low enough for no concern.... and some of those people end up seriously wrong