No jobs for smokers

[mustangguy289]

Really? Smoking increases your risk for diabetes? Maybe because some smokers eat too goddamn much? Kinda like, some non-smokers eat too goddamn much? I'm sorry sir, but obesity in general is a much bigger killer than smoking. At least right now. I remember in elementary school having that one or two fat kids in the grade that you tease (which I'm not proud of) but it seems like now that every other kid is fat.

You need a cig bro?

[ceyko]

You must work at FedEx. Smokers will find a way to smoke regardless. Just like fatties will find a way to sneak a donut in their foot locker. Baylor is not giving smokers an option by not hiring them at all. My point was when do they stop. Isn't the real issue here the over inflated cost of healthcare.

Work in the other building just east of that one.

[A+]

You don't like the way someone smells get the hell away from them. Problem solved.

Not when you work indoors chief. I used to work with an Indian guy who hardly ever bathed. He was the smelliest guy I have ever smelled with my smeller. His smell lingered in the air for hours after he finished his shift. Luckily for us, and I think they created this "rule" especially for this, HR told him he needs to bathe. Took care of that! Now we have this broad who smokes like a GD chimney and smells of Newports and cheap perfume. It truly is hard to breath around her...word on the streets is she smokes a pack a day.

[CJ-95GT]

Anyway, I work across the street from what used to be a Perot Systems office - which is now Dell. Anyway, they are not allowed to smoke. They still do though and it takes them longer than I'm sure it did before. They have to cross 2 lanes of Plano Parkway onto what is my office area's land to smoke. A lot of smokers are not time card punchers, so it's still going to happen.

You must work at FedEx. Smokers will find a way to smoke regardless. Just like fatties will find a way to sneak a donut in their foot locker. Baylor is not giving smokers an option by not hiring them at all. My point was when do they stop. Isn't the real issue here the over inflated cost of healthcare.

[Slowhand]

Do you really think anyone is productive the entire time they are at work?

Certainly not, but when you've got a subset of employees that schedules in their un-productivity then I'd call it a problem.

That's still not the end issue here, though. Smokers, taken as a lone variable, cost more to insure. Period. Factor in that health-care costs are non-value adding and you have an extremely profitable and legal policy that's long overdue.

[TENGRAM]

lol, is this seriously an argument? 5-10 minutes of no productivity every hour, higher health care costs for the employer; they've got all the right in the world to not hire smokers.

Do you really think anyone is productive the entire time they are at work?

[Slowhand]

lol, is this seriously an argument? 5-10 minutes of no productivity every hour, higher health care costs for the employer; they've got all the right in the world to not hire smokers.

[UserX]

Fat people should be unemployable too, overeating is digusting and an addiction. And they smell bad.

[ceyko]

Speaking of fatties - I can tell you from first-hand knowledge that employers are hesitant to hire them, so they are already in the unemployment boat that's coming for smokers.

I'm not arguing with you at all. However, yeah my whole office rolls out every 1-2 hours for 5-10 minutes and get back to what we were doing. We take short or long lunches and so on. We're often talking about work stuff and planning while on breaks/at lunch.

I prefer to call them meetings.

Anyway, I work across the street from what used to be a Perot Systems office - which is now Dell. Anyway, they are not allowed to smoke. They still do though and it takes them longer than I'm sure it did before. They have to cross 2 lanes of Plano Parkway onto what is my office area's land to smoke. A lot of smokers are not time card punchers, so it's still going to happen.

Although, I get it and why some employers want to do it. Hell, I'm about to do work for a Hospital in Amarillo (that is already like this) and there is zero smoking anywhere. So, I'm taking some patches and nicotine gum. Going to be work 18-24 hours in a row without a smoke.

Again, it should be the owner's choice. Both for allowing or NOT allowing smoking. Goes back to that bar/restaurant thing as well. If I don't like it *I* have to deal with it. I could even start my own company that allows smoking...

It's not complicated.

[TENGRAM]

[mikeb]

You cant help be social walking outside to burn one down at work on break. Now i just prefer hang out at my desk instead of going out there. Just one of many examples.

I think that you just hit on one of the reasons baylor did this - people stepping outside to "burn one" every hour, instead of being at their desks working. That costs baylor about 8-10 minutes of every hour of productivity per employee that smokes, assuming that they smoke 1 per hour.

Since baylor is a health oriented business - having employees clustered around smoking outside the doors with patients coming and going is probably a bad image for them.

And doctors standing at the side of patient's beds reeking is another bad image that the patient will take away.

So i see this move as a hygiene/image/health/healthcare cost issue.

Does baylor have the right to do this? I think so. In fact, I see it eventually becoming policy among all large companies. As an example, do you remember when people could smoke at their desks? Seems unthinkable now. And some company somewhere was the first to enact a no smoking policy at your desk.

Speaking of fatties - I can tell you from first-hand knowledge that employers are hesitant to hire them, so they are already in the unemployment boat that's coming for smokers.

[Buck Nasty]

You must be slow.

Nah,im just a fast reader.

[347Mike]

I've smoked 5 cigarettes while reading all of this..

You must be slow.

[Buck Nasty]

I've smoked 5 cigarettes while reading all of this..

[347Mike]

I would go along with this. I even like to drink, but I don't have to drink.

Then move to some small Arkansas town where it is. Lol