No jobs for smokers

[SSMAN]

That's the ticket!

I vote to make cigarettes and alcohol illegal!!!!

Sarcasm from another thread...

I would go along with this. I even like to drink, but I don't have to drink.

[SSMAN]

Alcohol impaires your ability to work, smoking does not.

A better comparison would have been to say that you have the right to drink but your employer can say he doesnt want you working for him because he saw you hanging out at the sports bar last weekend with a beer in your hand.

I remember getting an eye hit one time I could not see. LOL, just messing with you. I agree it should be left up to the employer. Most of them are flipping the bill for some of the health benefits, so they should have a say so in the matter.

[03trubluGT]

As far as the job thing goes, I can see their point about insurance but its still discrimination. They either need to treat smokers equally or make cigarettes illegal.

That's the ticket!

I vote to make cigarettes and alcohol illegal!!!!

Sarcasm from another thread...

[Lason]

Exactly. Not only that, but the smell is in your skin.

and clothes and hair and breath and vehicle and house.....

Seriously I didnt realize how bad I stunk till I quit. I had to get new furniture because even though I never smoked in my house the furniture picked it up from my clothes.

My wife tried to quit at the same time as me but gave in to it and tries to sneak smokes all the time and is shocked when I can smell her across the room.

[SS Junk]

You smell of cancer.

Exactly. Not only that, but the smell is in your skin.

[Sean88gt]

I am pretty sure I don't smell. There are ways to avoid it.

You smell of cancer.

[EW]

Employers should have the right to hire/not hire whomever they want for any reason. It is in their best interest to choose the best/smartest/most productive/least issue having person available.

[Lason]

I have a right to drink, but I don't get to do it at work. but I am not bitching about it. I say good for them. It's a drug addiction and it shows weakness. Not to mention there are always butts thrown on the ground.

Alcohol impaires your ability to work, smoking does not.

A better comparison would have been to say that you have the right to drink but your employer can say he doesnt want you working for him because he saw you hanging out at the sports bar last weekend with a beer in your hand.

[347Mike]

Oh you stink!

I never realized how bad I smelled untill I quit. I cant even ride the elevators at work now because they stink so bad.

As far as the job thing goes, I can see their point about insurance but its still discrimination. They either need to treat smokers equally or make cigarettes illegal.

I had clients on site last week and smoked the entire week they were there. One was a smoker and she nor anyone else picked up on me smoking.

Also one of my employees for a year just found out I smoke this past week when he actually saw me.

Dunno.

[ceyko]

Wow, the thread went off on a tangent.

In my opinion, the choice should be up to the employer. Just like the choice to allow smoking SHOULD be up to the owner of the place. Also, just like a person smoking or not should be their choice.

There are many vices out there that are not healthy. Hell, drinking alcohol is not. We need to stop and think how far down a path of government involvement we want to go.

Things like this are similar to gun control, little baby steps of things taken away and next thing bb guns would be illegal.

[SSMAN]

I am pretty sure I don't smell. There are ways to avoid it.

If you smoke, you smell. I don't care how much cologne you wear. There is just no getting around it.

Had a room mate many years ago that smoked. He was nice enough not to do it in the house. One night he was drunk (when you drink, that is a message from god to the smokers to light up) and smoked one in his room. The AC intake vent is right across the hall from his room. My bed smelled of smoke, along with all my clothes in my closet. It was a long day of laundry due to a quick smoke. Like said above, smokers have no clue how bad they smell.

[SSMAN]

I have a right to drink, but I don't get to do it at work. but I am not bitching about it. I say good for them. It's a drug addiction and it shows weakness. Not to mention there are always butts thrown on the ground.

[SS Junk]

Smokers= junkies

[Lason]

Smoking has social positives? News to me. Elaborate. More specifically, name for me one thing that you can do as a smoker that someone can't do as a non smoker. I can think of something that a non smoker can do that a smoker can't.

Once again from personal expirience, I was alot more social as a smoker. You cant help be social walking outside to burn one down at work on break. Now i just prefer hang out at my desk instead of going out there. Just one of many examples.

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[Lason]

Smoking increases your blood pressure regardless of diet. Higher blood pressure causes kidney damage. I can keep saying it. Again, more to the point, smoking is easier to control as a health care cost from an employer's position than obesity is. You can test for it. You can ban it on the property. It costs less to mitigate, so it's an easy win for the bean counters.

EDIT: If it were your business, would you let your own personal attachment to a particular vice get in the way of banning that vice amongst your employees at a demonstrable cost to your bottom line?

I personally think quitting smoking causes high bp. When i quit almost 2 years ago my bp shot up and now I have to take pills for it. I dont know if its stress or what but just personal obsevation.


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