No jobs for smokers

[Chopped54]

I worked for Baylor for 10 years. They started down this path in 2007 making the hospital a smoke free campus.
I am not a smoker, so I personally see no problem with it.

[racrguy]

Living in a social world, some people smoke. Stop thinking too much in to it.

I'm not thinking too much into it. You said there were social positives. What are they? I'm a non smoker and I can go out to a bar and have a beer with my buddies, socialize, and have a grand old time. All without the need for a smoke. In fact, of all the people that I hang with, aside from Yale and a married couple that stopped smoking a couple months ago, everyone smokes. Please, oh wise one, elaborate on what the social positives are. Unless you wish to clarify your statement.

[68chevy2]

Good for you.

Again, smoking isn't healthy, but it's a choice, and it's not the biggest killer in America right now. Regardless, people that smoke, smoke as a choice. It's an easy fix unlike the fat and cholesterol that they ingest from fast food joints.

However, how much can you blame them? Get out and do something. Be active you fat fuck!(not directed at anybody)........fucking do something! Stop trying to blame somebody else for your laziness. Or your kids laziness! Just fucking go outside!

Easy fix??? Isn't quitting smoking compared to quitting hard drugs? Cleaning up your diet is a little easier I would think. Personally, I haven't ever had to quit smoking or loose weight. I'm 6'5 215lbs, never smoked and eat fairly healthy.

[68chevy2]

Do cigarettes cause heart problems? I haven't seen any studies that prove it.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/heart-disease/DS01120/DSECTION=causes

Causes of heart arrhythmia
Common causes of abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias), or conditions that can lead to arrhythmias include:

* Heart defects you're born with (congenital heart defects)
* Coronary artery disease
* High blood pressure
* Diabetes
* Smoking
* Excessive use of alcohol or caffeine
* Drug abuse
* Stress
* Some over-the-counter medications, prescription medications, dietary supplements and herbal remedies
* Valvular heart disease

Major Risk Factors

High Blood Pressure (Hypertension). High blood pressure increases your risk of heart disease, heart attack, and stroke. Though other risk factors can lead to high blood pressure, you can have it without having other risk factors. If you are obese, you smoke, or you have high blood cholesterol levels along with high blood pressure, your risk of heart disease or stroke greatly increases.

Yes, smoking is on that list genius! You showed proof that heart disease is the number one killer in the world, what you're missing is the fact that smoking can lead to heart disease.

[YALE]

Do cigarettes cause heart problems? I haven't seen any studies that prove it.

They increase blood pressure and elevate LDL cholesterol.

EDIT: First hit on google: http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_stat...s_cig_smoking/

[jdgregory84]

Production value (revenue is the word you're looking for) is only a part of the equation. Also, can you imagine trying to weigh everyone's individual performance and setting up consistent business practices accordingly? Fuuuuuck that. Try it with a massive corporation and see how that works out. It costs way less to just crunch the numbers and attack the big bars. Is it impersonal and soulless? Sure. Who fucking cares? I go to work to make money. That shit doesn't make itself, and if you don't watch costs, you'll give the house away.

Good for you.

Again, smoking isn't healthy, but it's a choice, and it's not the biggest killer in America right now. Regardless, people that smoke, smoke as a choice. It's an easy fix unlike the fat and cholesterol that they ingest from fast food joints.

However, how much can you blame them? Get out and do something. Be active you fat fuck!(not directed at anybody)........fucking do something! Stop trying to blame somebody else for your laziness. Or your kids laziness! Just fucking go outside!

[jdgregory84]

Do cigarettes cause heart problems? I haven't seen any studies that prove it.

[jdgregory84]

Where are you getting these facts? Isn't it a known fact that cancer (caused by using tobacco products) kills more people then being obese! And what exactly is too obese by your standards? We have health screenings at my work annually and most of the overweight people still rate healthy overall. I think being obese is disgusting, but it's not in the same category as smoking.

Welcome to the world of "You're Fat!"

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm

What's the leading cause of heart disease? Even anti-smokers know it's not cigarettes.

Oh shit...here's another:

http://www.howtolivealongerlife.com/2009/07/leading-causes-of-death-in-us.html

Fuck you! Obesity and the symptoms of are the leading cause of death in America. There's no way to get around it.

[YALE]

I agree 100% as far as smoking is easier to control. However, people have vices no matter what.

As far as your example of my own business...I would look at the production value of each individual vs another. The presumption that you're giving is pretty bad. Coming from the car business, I've seen smokers WAY out-do the non-smokers.

It's the individual, not the general population.

Production value (revenue is the word you're looking for) is only a part of the equation. Also, can you imagine trying to weigh everyone's individual performance and setting up consistent business practices accordingly? Fuuuuuck that. Try it with a massive corporation and see how that works out. It costs way less to just crunch the numbers and attack the big bars. Is it impersonal and soulless? Sure. Who fucking cares? I go to work to make money. That shit doesn't make itself, and if you don't watch costs, you'll give the house away.

EDIT: I still agree that obesity is a bigger issue, but smoking's ease of control makes it cheaper to control. Again, anything you can do to cut costs is a plus.

[68chevy2]

Really? Smoking increases your risk for diabetes? Maybe because some smokers eat too goddamn much? Kinda like, some non-smokers eat too goddamn much? I'm sorry sir, but obesity in general is a much bigger killer than smoking. At least right now. I remember in elementary school having that one or two fat kids in the grade that you tease (which I'm not proud of) but it seems like now that every other kid is fat.

Where are you getting these facts? Isn't it a known fact that cancer (caused by using tobacco products) kills more people then being obese! And what exactly is too obese by your standards? We have health screenings at my work annually and most of the overweight people still rate healthy overall. I think being obese is disgusting, but it's not in the same category as smoking.

[jdgregory84]

Also, I have experience working for a fat motherfucker, whom I sold many vehicles for.

[jdgregory84]

Smoking increases your blood pressure regardless of diet. Higher blood pressure causes kidney damage. I can keep saying it. Again, more to the point, smoking is easier to control as a health care cost from an employer's position than obesity is. You can test for it. You can ban it on the property. It costs less to mitigate, so it's an easy win for the bean counters.

EDIT: If it were your business, would you let your own personal attachment to a particular vice get in the way of banning that vice amongst your employees at a demonstrable cost to your bottom line?

I agree 100% as far as smoking is easier to control. However, people have vices no matter what.

As far as your example of my own business...I would look at the production value of each individual vs another. The presumption that you're giving is pretty bad. Coming from the car business, I've seen smokers WAY out-do the non-smokers.

It's the individual, not the general population.

[jdgregory84]

Smoking has social positives? News to me. Elaborate. More specifically, name for me one thing that you can do as a smoker that someone can't do as a non smoker. I can think of something that a non smoker can do that a smoker can't.

Living in a social world, some people smoke. Stop thinking too much in to it.

[YALE]

Really? Smoking increases your risk for diabetes? Maybe because some smokers eat too goddamn much? Kinda like, some non-smokers eat too goddamn much? I'm sorry sir, but obesity in general is a much bigger killer than smoking. At least right now. I remember in elementary school having that one or two fat kids in the grade that you tease (which I'm not proud of) but it seems like now that every other kid is fat.

Smoking increases your blood pressure regardless of diet. Higher blood pressure causes kidney damage. I can keep saying it. Again, more to the point, smoking is easier to control as a health care cost from an employer's position than obesity is. You can test for it. You can ban it on the property. It costs less to mitigate, so it's an easy win for the bean counters.

EDIT: If it were your business, would you let your own personal attachment to a particular vice get in the way of banning that vice amongst your employees at a demonstrable cost to your bottom line?

[racrguy]

BTW, I'm not trying to say that there are any positives that come from smoking, other than social positives. There are literally NO positives that come from being fat.

Smoking has social positives? News to me. Elaborate. More specifically, name for me one thing that you can do as a smoker that someone can't do as a non smoker. I can think of something that a non smoker can do that a smoker can't.