Mayor slashes ALL city employees down to minimum wage

[03trubluGT]

Try selling that to someone who didn't spend a year at a time deployed for under 20 a year and destroy my body with 80 pound rucks, long marches, exposure to chemicals and fire, gunfire, explosives and oh wait...a bullet to the fucking head.

Don't act like you aren't the only one.

[Forever_frost]

Then I respect that completely, and having said that I would have thought he would be on the service personels side on this.

Actually, I'm on the taxpayer's side. You want more? They told you no. Now what?

[Forever_frost]

Yea maybe so, I know if I could pay a little more to be provided with better fire and ems I would do it in a heart beat. And its not going to what you say "plush pensions", its going for a service provided. Your not as smart as what you think you are. Average pay is in the mid 40's per year, now thats not alot to stay away from your family 1/3 of your life, physically destroy your body, stay up at nights, wipe your grannys ass when she has a GI bleed and refuses to go to ER without changing at 2am, saving your father from a potential heart attack, or standing on a highway cutting your ass out of a car because you decided to drive home drunk. If you are a FF and plan on just using your pension to retire, then you are a dumbass. My TMRS isnt going to get me some dreamworld retirement, I have to deduct funds from my check for another supplemental retirement just to make sure I can survive when I retire.

Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

Try selling that to someone who didn't spend a year at a time deployed for under 20 a year and destroy my body with 80 pound rucks, long marches, exposure to chemicals and fire, gunfire, explosives and oh wait...a bullet to the fucking head.

[Broncojohnny]

You sure do complain a lot. You get what you pay for. 40k is low for risking your life everyday. They probably can't get anybody to do it for less so they add in the pension to sweeten the deal.

Exactly how am I complaining in that statement? This is a free country, don't like the job? Don't like the pay? Go work somewhere else! In fact, by staying and being paid less than you think it is worth you are adding to the problem, if enough people leave they have to raise what they are willing to pay. If someone else will do the job for that amount you are complaining about then you weren't underpaid in the first place.

I got a job that pays very well right now. I thought I was underpaid. I was right because I just went and got another job that pays a shitload more! See how that works?

[2011GT]

Everyone is underpaid, if you don't like the job for mid $40s, go do something else. It pays that much because there are qualified people who will do it for that much.

You sure do complain a lot. You get what you pay for. 40k is low for risking your life everyday. They probably can't get anybody to do it for less so they add in the pension to sweeten the deal.

[01yz2nv]

Everyone is underpaid, if you don't like the job for mid $40s, go do something else. It pays that much because there are qualified people who will do it for that much.

Thats the thing, we do the job for less, BECUASE the benifits in the end. You take that away, and youll see alot of folks walk away. As for me I love my job and have no prob doing it for lower salary because of that. Mid 40's is far from minimum wage too! Now this is really generalities, as some cities get paid alot and some get paid crap.

[Broncojohnny]

Yea maybe so, I know if I could pay a little more to be provided with better fire and ems I would do it in a heart beat. And its not going to what you say "plush pensions", its going for a service provided. Your not as smart as what you think you are. Average pay is in the mid 40's per year, now thats not alot to stay away from your family 1/3 of your life, physically destroy your body, stay up at nights, wipe your grannys ass when she has a GI bleed and refuses to go to ER without changing at 2am, saving your father from a potential heart attack, or standing on a highway cutting your ass out of a car because you decided to drive home drunk. If you are a FF and plan on just using your pension to retire, then you are a dumbass. My TMRS isnt going to get me some dreamworld retirement, I have to deduct funds from my check for another supplemental retirement just to make sure I can survive when I retire.

Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

Everyone is underpaid, if you don't like the job for mid $40s, go do something else. It pays that much because there are qualified people who will do it for that much.

[01yz2nv]

I don't agree with the guy on everything, or much.

But

He's a disabled Vet. Took a bullet to the head. I think he's earned his pension.

Then I respect that completely, and having said that I would have thought he would be on the service personels side on this.

[sc281]

Yea maybe so, I know if I could pay a little more to be provided with better fire and ems I would do it in a heart beat. And its not going to what you say "plush pensions", its going for a service provided. Your not as smart as what you think you are. Average pay is in the mid 40's per year, now thats not alot to stay away from your family 1/3 of your life, physically destroy your body, stay up at nights, wipe your grannys ass when she has a GI bleed and refuses to go to ER without changing at 2am, saving your father from a potential heart attack, or standing on a highway cutting your ass out of a car because you decided to drive home drunk. If you are a FF and plan on just using your pension to retire, then you are a dumbass. My TMRS isnt going to get some dreamworld retirement, I have to deduct funds from my check for another supplemental retirement just to make sure I can survive when I retire.

Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

I don't agree with the guy on everything, or much.

But

He's a disabled Vet. Took a bullet to the head. I think he's earned his pension.

[01yz2nv]

Wait, so you're saying if they knew that that extra money would be going to fund police and fire's plush pensions, far in excess of the private sector and the taxpayer's pensions if they have any, they'd happily hand over more money?

Is that what you're trying to sell?

Yea maybe so, I know if I could pay a little more to be provided with better fire and ems I would do it in a heart beat. And its not going to what you say "plush pensions", its going for a service provided. Your not as smart as what you think you are. Average pay is in the mid 40's per year, now thats not alot to stay away from your family 1/3 of your life, physically destroy your body, stay up at nights, wipe your grannys ass when she has a GI bleed and refuses to go to ER without changing at 2am, saving your father from a potential heart attack, or standing on a highway cutting your ass out of a car because you decided to drive home drunk. If you are a FF and plan on just using your pension to retire, then you are a dumbass. My TMRS isnt going to get me some dreamworld retirement, I have to deduct funds from my check for another supplemental retirement just to make sure I can survive when I retire.

Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

[Forever_frost]

They probably didnt know the consequences of their decisions, or atleast I would hope. Im sure most of the population never got past reading "raise tax's".

Wait, so you're saying if they knew that that extra money would be going to fund police and fire's plush pensions, far in excess of the private sector and the taxpayer's pensions if they have any, they'd happily hand over more money?

Is that what you're trying to sell?

[32vfromhell]

I have left three different companies when it looked like there was "some" financial trouble. As in, we start pushing the coffee vendor out to 120 days, shit like that. I cannot imagine waiting around to let the assholes cut my pay to minimum wage, especially if I'm only bringing down 450/wk to begin with. Must be a typical lazy, shitty government employee that's unemployable elsewhere.

you should see what some hospitals try to get away with on their vendors.


Doesn't work out real well when they haven't paid their artificial knee supplier in 90 days, and have a patient under anesthesia, and call up asking why their knee hasn't arrived yet.

Usually, pointing out they aint getting shit till they get paid gets things moving quickly, but hospitals are notorious for running out of money and stringing along vendors.

[stevo]

They probably didnt know the consequences of their decisions, or atleast I would hope. Im sure most of the population never got past reading "raise tax's".

I'm sure you are right, but I have yet to hear that they are lining up to hand over cash to help fill the city coffers.

Stevo

[01yz2nv]

Except the citizens didn't want to do what was necessary to increase the funding, by refusing to let the city increase taxes.

Stevo

They probably didnt know the consequences of their decisions, or atleast I would hope. Im sure most of the population never got past reading "raise tax's".

[stevo]

Cutting the funding on something that should be top priority is not a smart thing. That's peoples lives we are talking about. Cut funding on parks or other projects they may have. Human life trumps all.

This, yes the city might be broke, but Im willing to bet the citizens would be in favor of doing whatever is necessary to keep them safe.

Except the citizens didn't want to do what was necessary to increase the funding, by refusing to let the city increase taxes.

Stevo