Houston Police Officer Fatally Shoots Unarmed Double Amputee in a Wheelchair

[SS Junk]

Isn't deadly force only justified to combat deadly force? Being that the guy was in a monitored care facility, isn't it logical to surmize that the guy didn't have access to anything "deadlier" than some sort of sharpened object? Certainly not a gun anyway.

This reminds me of the bullshit video where some 120lb meth head was swinging a pipe bender at a cop. They failed to taze him correctly, refuse to let the dog go, which was at the ready with one of those dipshits and because they were such pussyfarts they shoot him at least 10 times.

[Big A]

So, quick to judge the officer without all the facts, but you will reserve medical judgement until you have all the facts ??

WTF??

Judgement has been based on facts given, of which no set of extensuating circumstances can possibly justify the officer's decision to pull and use his weapon.

I'm all for getting the whole story Matt, and certainly not on the FTP bandwagon, but this "officer" showed grave misjudgement, and I only hope that due process WILL bring all facts to light, and this guy is punished accordingly.

[Forever_frost]

So, quick to judge the officer without all the facts, but you will reserve medical judgement until you have all the facts ??

WTF??

Do you have facts that would make this a good shoot?

[Broncojohnny]

So, quick to judge the officer without all the facts, but you will reserve medical judgement until you have all the facts ??

WTF??

Yea Dave, you need all the facts to know that a one-armed, one-legged man in a wheelchair isn't a threat! Get the facts son!

[Forever_frost]

Yea Dave, you need all the facts to know that a one-armed, one-legged man in a wheelchair isn't a threat against an armed, able bodied man who is trained to handle situations like this! Get the facts son!

Fixed

[03trubluGT]

Isn't deadly force only justified to combat deadly force? Being that the guy was in a monitored care facility, isn't it logical to surmize that the guy didn't have access to anything "deadlier" than some sort of sharpened object? Certainly not a gun anyway.

In this case risking a fatal tazer to the chest area shows exponentially more judgement than shooting the guy. I hope the cop is indeed fired, and gets manslaughter/murder charges brought against him.

There's an old LEO formula.

Force = Force + 1

If someone wants to use fists, you use baton.

If someone has an edged weapon, then you use gun.

I've seen people critically injured by being stabbed with a Phillips head screwdriver, pencil, and wood chisel, let alone knives.

Years ago an officer in FTW was chasing a suspect who was climbing a fence. The officer caught the guy and when he was pulling the suspect down, the suspect turned and pulled the officer's pen out of his shirt pocket and started stabbing the officer in the face. The officer pulled his gun and shot/killed the suspect.

The officer was No Billed by the Grand Jury.


The Grand Jury will decide if this is a good shoot.

[talisman]

Looks like this thread already has a nice little bow on it.

[03trubluGT]

Judgement has been based on facts given, of which no set of extensuating circumstances can possibly justify the officer's decision to pull and use his weapon.

I'm all for getting the whole story Matt, and certainly not on the FTP bandwagon, but this "officer" showed grave misjudgement, and I only hope that due process WILL bring all facts to light, and this guy is punished accordingly.

Let's see you get stabbed at and see what you do. How would you like to go hands on with a wheelchair bound person and get stabbed in the eye only to have to retire on a medical pension?

Not everyone is willing to lose a body part or die for some mentally ill person.

For the record, I want to believe that there could have been a better way to handle this.

My first post: Seriously, use distance and back up. Use a Taser if necessary, but shooting a wheelchair bound person????

[davbrucas]

So, quick to judge the officer without all the facts, but you will reserve medical judgement until you have all the facts ??

WTF??

That statement was more of a dig toward you than my actual feelings...hence the smiley...

As far as other physicians...I couldnt give two shits what they do. If a doctor makes a mistake and kills someone and it is posted on here I will be one of the first to call him an idiot...and not ask for more facts. The fact of the matter is that someone is dead at the hands of another...right or wrong (which it appears that there are different parameters for different professions).

[Forever_frost]

Let's see you get stabbed at and see what you do. How would you like to go hands on with a wheelchair bound person and get stabbed in the eye only to have to retire on a medical pension?

Not everyone is willing to lose a body part or die for some mentally ill person.

Pretty sure cops are paid to take risks to protect the public. That's why you have those neat tasers, pistols, shotguns, AR's, vests, squadcars, backup, APC's and so forth.

[davbrucas]

There's an old LEO formula.

Force = Force + 1

If someone wants to use fists, you use baton.

If someone has an edged weapon, then you use gun.

I've seen people critically injured by being stabbed with a Phillips head screwdriver, pencil, and wood chisel, let alone knives.

Years ago an officer in FTW was chasing a suspect who was climbing a fence. The officer caught the guy and when he was pulling the suspect down, the suspect turned and pulled the officer's pen out of his shirt pocket and started stabbing the officer in the face. The officer pulled his gun and shot/killed the suspect.

The officer was No Billed by the Grand Jury.


The Grand Jury will decide if this is a good shoot.

I understand your point...I have actually been in situations where I felt my life was in danger...and unless the cripple in a wheelchair has a gun and aiming it my way I wouldnt be in fear for my life. The officer in question did not have to shoot the man. The only way I can see is that it was punitive because the cripple did not put the deadly pen down when instructed by the dickhead with the chip on his shoulder.

No offense to you as I support law enforcement officers for the most part...just not JBTs like this.

[davbrucas]

Pretty sure cops are paid to take risks to protect the public. That's why you have those neat tasers, pistols, shotguns, AR's, vests, squadcars, backup, APC's and so forth.

Yup...with all the gear the most LEOs wear, they were in no way at risk of serious injury...even if the perp was able-bodied. Taze his ass...take him down hard...move to gain space and advantage...but it's easier to just say, "Hey! He has a sharp object. It's a weapon. Let's shoot him."

[03trubluGT]

Pretty sure cops are paid to take risks to protect the public. That's why you have those neat tasers, pistols, shotguns, AR's, vests, squadcars, backup, APC's and so forth.

I would try to reason with you against this statement, but I'm sure it would be futile.

[03trubluGT]

I understand your point...I have actually been in situations where I felt my life was in danger...and unless the cripple in a wheelchair has a gun and aiming it my way I wouldnt be in fear for my life. The officer in question did not have to shoot the man. The only way I can see is that it was punitive because the cripple did not put the deadly pen down when instructed by the dickhead with the chip on his shoulder.

No offense to you as I support law enforcement officers for the most part...just not JBTs like this.

You can't put what you would feel as an absolute for every other person on the planet.

Remember, we're dealing with department minimum standards, and those standards have been going down for the last 20 years.

[03trubluGT]

Yup...with all the gear the most LEOs wear, they were in no way at risk of serious injury...even if the perp was able-bodied. Taze his ass...take him down hard...move to gain space and advantage...but it's easier to just say, "Hey! He has a sharp object. It's a weapon. Let's shoot him."

I think losing an eye would be serious injury. At least the Texas Penal Code defines it as such.