Houston deputy gunned down while fueling in uniform

[mstng86]

I think this is the next phase of our growth as a society, to get over the notion of us versus them. Its taken me a long time to get to that point, to place my own preconceived notions with right or wrong from my own limited viewpoint and to place my self on the other side of the equation. Even just talking out loud about this topic has already started to make me come more at ease with unions.

we won't all unite as one until the aliens come and try to take over our world.


its just the truth

[CexMashean]

So corporations killed the deputy? Or was it unions?

I'm so confused.

[Cooter]

I think this is the next phase of our growth as a society, to get over the notion of us versus them. Its taken me a long time to get to that point, to place my own preconceived notions with right or wrong from my own limited viewpoint and to place my self on the other side of the equation. Even just talking out loud about this topic has already started to make me come more at ease with unions.

right there with ya...

and I don't think it's anything they're putting in the water because I have a 400ft deep well

[Cooter]

I think unions are still around for the same reasons that they formed originally, employers taking ridiculous advantage of employees. Maybe not to the same level of degree as it once was, but its still an issue. However, I am more apt to put that on the person and not the company at this point at least in the cases I have been through in my life.

You have also had the opportunity to catch/ride a well timed wave in technological advance. Which is awesome.

there is an ever-elusive happy medium between slave wages and fairyland utopian rainbow stew for those who aren't as intelligent as people like you.

[abecx]

corporate power can do a lot of good... it can also be corrupt and hurt a lot of people...

the same can be said for unions

the pendulum always swings

I think this is the next phase of our growth as a society, to get over the notion of us versus them. Its taken me a long time to get to that point, to place my own preconceived notions with right or wrong from my own limited viewpoint and to place my self on the other side of the equation. Even just talking out loud about this topic has already started to make me come more at ease with unions.

[Tremor14]

I can only speak to skilled trade unions, but I agree.

FWIW, I'm sorta playing devil's advocate here as I have typically taken a "non-union/unions had their time, that time is over" stance

But... in skilled trades there is a powerful argument for unions that I'm starting to extend to other facets of the workforce in my own mind.

corporate power can do a lot of good... it can also be corrupt and hurt a lot of people...

the same can be said for unions

the pendulum always swings

[CexMashean]

I don't get it. Did a union shoot the deputy?

[Cooter]

FWIW, I'm sorta playing devil's advocate here as I have typically taken a "non-union/unions had their time, that time is over" stance

But... in skilled trades there is a powerful argument for unions that I'm starting to extend to other facets of the workforce in my own mind.

corporate power can do a lot of good... it can also be corrupt and hurt a lot of people...

the same can be said for unions

the pendulum always swings

[abecx]

I'm not sure what that has to do with whether unions have outlived their usefulness or not.

I think unions are still around for the same reasons that they formed originally, employers taking ridiculous advantage of employees. Maybe not to the same level of degree as it once was, but its still an issue. However, I am more apt to put that on the person and not the company at this point at least in the cases I have been through in my life.

[The King]

How did this thread go from a guy shooting a deputy to lifting pipe, I gave some effort in trying to figure that out and am still lost.

Since the subject of unions has been introduced, some input from the dearly departed Choo$$$$Choo$$$$ guys would have been extremely informative.

[Cooter]

I'm not sure what that has to do with whether unions have outlived their usefulness or not.

has the 2nd amendment?

[CexMashean]

Good thing he wasn't Plano PD!

[Rick Modena]

This is really fucked up. A LEO getting shot while filling his car? Un-fucking believable...

[bcoop]

Do you have any idea how many people died while trying to form unions?

I'm not sure what that has to do with whether unions have outlived their usefulness or not.

[abecx]

Do you have any idea how many people died while trying to form unions?

Yes, I feel I understand why they were created, its just harder to see their value today. I've read many horror stories about the steel wars, but when I hear about unions for say the postal service, it blows my mind. They receive many protections that are well above and beyond what any company should have to deal with.

I get the money side of it too. The organization of the workers side has helped people in sports make a ton of money, actors and their writers and satellite talent ( prop designers, casters, etc ) and many other professions get what they are entitled to. But a lot of these things are more vested if the individual gets them.

For example, I get called by recruiters here in Dallas often and I listen to them pitch their job, I turn them down once they get to salary and they ask what I'm looking for and I tell them what I make now and they get flabbergasted. I dont say this to brag, but because I want to help raise the value of other talent and I feel other talent that is of my level should be doing the same thing, not trying to beg to get a job at the base salary.

The problem I have with Unions is when I see jobs that shouldnt pay $80k a year that should be automated and replaced. I see them as more of a stifle on progression than a perpetuation of money.

As I am typing this out, I realize I shouldn't promote this as an Us vs Them mentality on either part as I want whats fair for employees to a maximum degree, I just feel Unions ask for too much beyond that.