what would you do

[Mike]

Iblfnr

[TEAMJACOB]

I kind of feel bad, because I transported the car to TSP for you way back then.
We spoke just briefly about your project over lunch, but no real details, and no way to
foresee the issue you would get thrown into.

Oh, dowel pins generally do not fall out unless they have been installed and removed many
times, which would ding them up, or ream the flywheel dowel holes. Easy enough to address
when the issue is identified.

Also, a dowel pin is used when alignment is critical. Any competent mechanic would
know this, and never ignore it nor leave it out.

I appreciate it man. The whole problem with the entire thing is that I can't build it myself. If I could, everything thing else would have been irrelevant. I have spoken my peace in that thread and posted it with no emotion so I'm not upset. Thanks for the tow and the advice. Maybe some time I can grab you lunch

[jayjohnson600]

Old news, icehole!

Interesting, I just got back from 2weeks on the snow slopes of Keystone Colorado.

and BTW, I basically called this issue in my first post on the subject Oct 12:
"...a vibration behind the motor..."

[jayjohnson600]

I kind of feel bad, because I transported the car to TSP for you way back then.
We spoke just briefly about your project over lunch, but no real details, and no way to
foresee the issue you would get thrown into.

Oh, dowel pins generally do not fall out unless they have been installed and removed many
times, which would ding them up, or ream the flywheel dowel holes. Easy enough to address
when the issue is identified.

Also, a dowel pin is used when alignment is critical. Any competent mechanic would
know this, and never ignore it nor leave it out.

[racrguy]

Okay, so you found the flywheel was missing the dowel pins, then the pressure plate would
not necessarily be centered, and it's a heavy part. That will cause a vibration related to rpm.
Independent of clutch engagement/disengagement.
Higher rpm, more vibration, stronger vibration.

It's basically a balance problem behind the motor. It will also thrash the T.O. bearing.
It can also thrash the crank bearings, and rear main seal if the motor is run hard.
It can also scrub the clutch disk, because it's aligned center is with the crank,
but the pressure plate is off-center, this will compromise the pilot bearing.

I would replace the pilot bearing, remove the pressure plate(and clutch disk), put in the dowels,
and start the motor.
Rev it and see if the bad vibration is gone, rev it up high and pay attention.

Shut off the motor and install the pressure plate without the clutch disk. Perform the same
rev tests. Pressure plates are zero balance so I wouldn't expect a change from the first
rev test.
If you get no vibration, the pressure plate alignment was bad(due to missing
dowel pins). This is also assuming that the crank pully is correct.

If the issue is fixed, install the clutch disk and rest of the tranny, golden.

I hate to see issues like this, because people take a car to the shop to get stuff
fixed and running. I used to think of performance shops that same way, until I got into a
bad deal myself, it didn't cost me tons of money, just tons of lost time.
After that, I started turning wrenches on my own and shortly after, I started destroying
shop cars at the drag strip. Then, there was no reason to put my car into the shop if I was
dusting all the cars that they were turning out.

Old news, icehole!

[jayjohnson600]

Okay, so you found the flywheel was missing the dowel pins, then the pressure plate would
not necessarily be centered, and it's a heavy part. That will cause a vibration related to rpm.
Independent of clutch engagement/disengagement.
Higher rpm, more vibration, stronger vibration.

It's basically a balance problem behind the motor. It will also thrash the T.O. bearing.
It can also thrash the crank bearings, and rear main seal if the motor is run hard.
It can also scrub the clutch disk, because it's aligned center is with the crank,
but the pressure plate is off-center, this will compromise the pilot bearing.

I would replace the pilot bearing, remove the pressure plate(and clutch disk), put in the dowels,
and start the motor.
Rev it and see if the bad vibration is gone, rev it up high and pay attention.

Shut off the motor and install the pressure plate without the clutch disk. Perform the same
rev tests. Pressure plates are zero balance so I wouldn't expect a change from the first
rev test.
If you get no vibration, the pressure plate alignment was bad(due to missing
dowel pins). This is also assuming that the crank pully is correct.

If the issue is fixed, install the clutch disk and rest of the tranny, golden.

I hate to see issues like this, because people take a car to the shop to get stuff
fixed and running. I used to think of performance shops that same way, until I got into a
bad deal myself, it didn't cost me tons of money, just tons of lost time.
After that, I started turning wrenches on my own and shortly after, I started destroying
shop cars at the drag strip. Then, there was no reason to put my car into the shop if I was
dusting all the cars that they were turning out.

[TEAMJACOB]

I though I read something about a Shop in Mckinney Did the work.

I was joking around

[Mike]

I though I read something about a Shop in Mckinney Did the work.

You talking about this?

We did not build the motor, we installed it.

[FRANCISCO308]

fastest mustang ever motor company in pandego

I though I read something about a Shop in Mckinney Did the work.

[TEAMJACOB]

Holy shit!!! What shop did that?

fastest mustang ever motor company in pandego

well its only listed as a trade.. i was going to instill some knowledge in the young man..

no one is going to trade you any type of decent 4 door pickup for that. they are in two different ball parks. you are likely to get offers for some clapped out 2002 dodge ram which will be the biggest POS you could get. you're better off holding on to the car buying a daily (civic or such) and waiting til you can get yourself a nice newer truck. I really think you'll wanna kick your own ass for getting rid of it. ask me how i know..

Solid post, bro.



Srsly

x2
I bicker with you but I dont have anything against you as a person just fyi

No buttons pushed here. What is the car worth??

well it is a fox body with 5k in mods so about 350

Chris might be able "push the puttons" for some of you on here, lol, but he is a straight up guy in person.

lol thanks man

[FRANCISCO308]

Mention what problem? " hey I have a car that a shop built with out dowels put in and it vibrated because they didn't do their job so I had to pay another shop to look At it since the first shop refused to because their shit don't stink and the basically told me to fuck off. Put the dowels in as we'll as a new pilot bearing, throw out bearing and rear main seal that was already pouring oil because of quality of work provided and lord behold, my car magically balanced itself internal because it doesnt have a problem now that I paid a second place to do what the 1st place didn't"
Better?

Holy shit!!! What shop did that?

[Mike]

well its only listed as a trade.. i was going to instill some knowledge in the young man..

no one is going to trade you any type of decent 4 door pickup for that. they are in two different ball parks. you are likely to get offers for some clapped out 2002 dodge ram which will be the biggest POS you could get. you're better off holding on to the car buying a daily (civic or such) and waiting til you can get yourself a nice newer truck. I really think you'll wanna kick your own ass for getting rid of it. ask me how i know..

Solid post, bro.



Srsly

[naynay]

well its only listed as a trade.. i was going to instill some knowledge in the young man..

no one is going to trade you any type of decent 4 door pickup for that. they are in two different ball parks. you are likely to get offers for some clapped out 2002 dodge ram which will be the biggest POS you could get. you're better off holding on to the car buying a daily (civic or such) and waiting til you can get yourself a nice newer truck. I really think you'll wanna kick your own ass for getting rid of it. ask me how i know..

[Mike]

No buttons pushed here. What is the car worth??

Whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

[naynay]

No buttons pushed here. What is the car worth??