i give up, soo,,....

[matts5.0]

eh thats right, i guess im just sooooo fuckin stupid for only wanting a 500rwhp setup that is built to handle way more than that. fuckin retarded, i cant believe myself. lol whatever.

You want a reliable, streetable motor, but you only want a 331? we are trying to tell you that a bigger motor will make the power you want easier, and will be a lot more streetable. How hard is that for you to understand?
just because its a 408 doesnt mean its going to make 900 hp, if built right it will make 450-500 and be soooo much more street friendly/drivable, and in the far future make tons more power when you want it. I think you have this weird misconception that a 331 is the only ends to your means.. and that is just dumb. for a smaller motor to make that power you will have to run more boost and higher rpms and a bigger more non-streetable cam(in comparison to a bigger 351 based motor) But you dont care, nor will you listen. People here have been there done that, they are trying to help.

[Denny]

Fucking retard

[fbodyjohnny]

eh thats right, i guess im just sooooo fuckin stupid for only wanting a 500rwhp setup that is built to handle way more than that. fuckin retarded, i cant believe myself. lol whatever.

[matts5.0]

dude your a retard.. everyone carry on.. we tried to help

[Stephen]

this is what im going to do now...
since NOBODY,, as in ( performance shops etc etc... ) can understand WHAT i want as far as an engine build, im just going to do it myself with the help of my dad and my uncle. i have tried and tried with damn near everybody, but they dont understand what i want and why i want it that way. its simple, all i want is a rock solid dart block, preferably 331 c.i. with a forged/balanced crank, forged connecting rods, forged pistons ( dished for lower compression ) trickflow or AFR heads that would work well for boost, and of course a cam, intake manifold throttle body that will be easy on the street, and of course deliver max performance under pressure.... its THAT easy... i've lowered my HP goal to 475-500 at the wheels, so i dont understand why they all try telling me that its going to be NORTH of 15,000 for just the engine, nothing else... its either that or they all try telling me i need a 347 or 363 to get the job done, but that will use more oil on street driving, blah blah or they just dont email me back. so i have began my research and started building a list, found a nice dart block, fully machined and choice of any crank, rods, and piston setup for a decent price. im just stuck on that, idk what heads to go with. the power adder will be a new procharger setup, if i can tune for 12-15 psi OR whatever psi needed to reach my goal. whether it be 9 psi from the procharger and some help from water/meth, i dont care. for the compression ratio, i do understand that i need to stay in the low 8's and maybe 9, but then again, heads can change that as well so thats where im confused. also, there is a long list of probably 1 million other parts i need so any help, or suggestions would be appreciated. sorry for the long post, but i just had to get this off my chest. thanks ahead of time

Mr EDD?

[Magnimike1]

People recommend a larger motor because it will get to your horsepower wants with a lot more ease and at a lower RPM.

Less cam, less heads needed etc. More driveability factor.

IF you want to stay 302 based,(331) buy the low line of Dart blocks, get a decent rotating assembly, some decent heads and an off the shelf anderson cam like a n91 and voila. Done. Next...

[bonnie&clyde]

everybody keeps saying im "ignoring" their advice.... im NOT. i just DO NOT,,,, want the extra cubes, or the extra power that comes along with it... i just want,,,, a 331,,, that is BUILT,,, to handle,,, MY GOAL,,,,, without destroying it on the first few track runs... i RARELY even touch the gas if im just cruisin around.. so using it as my daily driver is not going to tear it down at all. sure i might run somebody here and there, but i make it another goal not to do that too much. its stupid. fun,,, but stupid. risky business. i just want the reliability factor, even though my HP goal is nothing to even worry about.. im sure a 351 setup making 8 or 900 hp has the same chance of grenading as a 331 thats all built up and pushing 6 or 700 hp. everything breaks, sometimes for the weirdest reasons, things you would never think of, just happen sometimes, but that has more to do with your driving style, how often you beat the shit out of it on the street or at the track. cmon, yall know that.

just cause a motor can do 8-900hp if u build it the way you want it wont make that much power, just cause u drop a 351 in your car that doesnt mean you are automatically going to make 600+hp.. it will make what you build it to make and be able to tolarate better

[fbodyjohnny]

everybody keeps saying im "ignoring" their advice.... im NOT. i just DO NOT,,,, want the extra cubes, or the extra power that comes along with it... i just want,,,, a 331,,, that is BUILT,,, to handle,,, MY GOAL,,,,, without destroying it on the first few track runs... i RARELY even touch the gas if im just cruisin around.. so using it as my daily driver is not going to tear it down at all. sure i might run somebody here and there, but i make it another goal not to do that too much. its stupid. fun,,, but stupid. risky business. i just want the reliability factor, even though my HP goal is nothing to even worry about.. im sure a 351 setup making 8 or 900 hp has the same chance of grenading as a 331 thats all built up and pushing 6 or 700 hp. everything breaks, sometimes for the weirdest reasons, things you would never think of, just happen sometimes, but that has more to do with your driving style, how often you beat the shit out of it on the street or at the track. cmon, yall know that.

[AMJ]

i really dont care what you have to say, its weird how mostly everybody else understands what i want. how about this, a 331 c.i. built however you want it, does NOT make even 400.... more like 380-390...... so, yes, i do want to put a vortech system on it to get it up to 500. i didnt read most of your reply because you're still taking me as a joke that dont know shit about shit about shit. grow up man. i appreciate your concern but i dont want what you are tryin to explain to me. if i have a $15,000 engine with other parts included, so what, thats MY baby, i will be able to do with it what i want.

dude this post is retarted!!!!theyre are cars running around with 302's puttin out 450-475rwhp are they streetable?that depends on who you talk to.streetability is a relative term whats streetable to you may not be to someone else and for fucks sake DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH!!!!!!i may be 20 yrs old but ive been fuckin with cars longer than you been in the military.now i respect the fact your trying to learn i really do when i started workin on cars alot of mistakes between now and then but would i do it all again?yes,because its how you learn when i started messing with cars i was 9yrs old there was no internet there were books,and people who you'd learn from.now i dont mean to sound like asshole.list to the people like turbostang hes been around the block more than once hes a very smart guy and theyre are numerous others weather you take my advice or anybody elses that not my problem.BTW im bipolar and i couldnt get it to the army becuase im on meds other wise id be serving right now.its 3:08 in the mornin im goin some where else before i even attempt to read anymore of this thread.

[WildBill]

If I had your money Bill it would already be done.

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[fordracing19]

Put a Whipple on your new toy and make WAY more than that.

If I had your money Bill it would already be done.

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[WildBill]

He could sell his current ride and put the 15k with it and get an 03-04 cobra. They make close to 500hp with a 2.76 and tune.

Put a Whipple on your new toy and make WAY more than that.

[WildBill]

Bill, I learned the hard way - by fucking shit up. A LOT of it. Yes, I realize that not everyone knows what I know, which isn't really a lot. Sure, my post may have came off as harsh - but I can assure you, it's a lot nicer than what most people were THINKING, but didnt' type.. or if one of the other 'senior' members would have said had they seen the thread.

I can't explain it any more plainly than I have - and all he hears is himself saying he doesn't want to do it a certain way, but he wants to do it HIS way.

Like I posted above (AGAIN), he hasn't done some of the more simple research, research that will answer a LOT of his questions and keep him from making some of the mistakes I made back in the day - but yet, he balks at ANY suggestion from damn near everyone in this thread..and is to blind to see relevant info when it's RIGHT in front of him.

...and to further add to it, I'll explain it to him over the phone so he can REALLY understand it. I have nothing to hide.

What's ironic about this thread is that I had a UTI kid come in the office and talk to me about a similar set up, but with much higher goals. I'm trying to point him to a 9.5 set up and all I keep hearing is 8.2 from him. Since he's a UTI student, he knows lots more than I do!
"But I want it to look "STOCK"! and make 1000RWHP on a 76mm turbo." OTAY BUCKWHEAT!

I dunno. Some people just have to make their own mistakes no matter what others tell them. Kinda like me not listening to my Dad about my first wife! LOL!

[turbostang]

Exactly what I PMd him at the beginning of the thread.

The kid can't help that he doesn't know the terms and some of the concepts.


Unless he's Brooks. Brooks was BORN with the knowledge.


............hope you realize the sarcasm and get the point I'm trying to get across.

Sometimes we take for granted the knowledge that we have stored in out knoggins. There are some people out there that tech lingo and concepts might as well be a foreign language. They just don't grasp it. Yeah, they may not be your customer and you may not feel that you need to try and explain things better, but you never know that they COULD become your customer or someone that IS a POTENTIAL customer sees how you advise and explain things to them. WOOPS..........THERE IT WAS!

Bill, I learned the hard way - by fucking shit up. A LOT of it. Yes, I realize that not everyone knows what I know, which isn't really a lot. Sure, my post may have came off as harsh - but I can assure you, it's a lot nicer than what most people were THINKING, but didnt' type.. or if one of the other 'senior' members would have said had they seen the thread.

I can't explain it any more plainly than I have - and all he hears is himself saying he doesn't want to do it a certain way, but he wants to do it HIS way.

Like I posted above (AGAIN), he hasn't done some of the more simple research, research that will answer a LOT of his questions and keep him from making some of the mistakes I made back in the day - but yet, he balks at ANY suggestion from damn near everyone in this thread..and is to blind to see relevant info when it's RIGHT in front of him.

...and to further add to it, I'll explain it to him over the phone so he can REALLY understand it. I have nothing to hide.

[fordracing19]

He could sell his current ride and put the 15k with it and get an 03-04 cobra. They make close to 500hp with a 2.76 and tune.