Finally going to get paid

[Forever_frost]

I work for myself now, been that way for around 10 years. The last company that I worked for gave everyone a paid vacation if you made it passed the 90 day probation period, everyone got one week, and it was all done at the same time every year. From senior department supervisors to the broom guy that dusted out the fittings room, to the secretaries up front, were given the same treatments. It made everyone feel equal, instead of separating everyone into different cliques based on 'seniority'. Every six months an employee could file a paper with his supervisor requesting a review of his work quality in lew of a raise. Some people never got raises, some got nice raises. Some apprentices made close to what the plumbers/pipefitters made, due to them busting ass, doing great work and having great ideas. The slackers seldom got raises, including several that had been there 10+ years. As a fresh apprentice in the early 90's, I hired on at $7.50, at 6 months it was raised to $11.50. After another 6 months, I was brought up to $16 an hour. I had my own company truck that I drove home as an apprentice, which mostly only the licensed plumbers could do. The slack-jawed shovel-props stayed in the single digit per hour pay scale. Many journeyman plumbers never made it passed the $20 range due to being slow,doing a poor job, and having shitty work ethics. Many made some real cash for being good at their job.

See this is how it is done in the non-union world. People are compensated on their talents and value, not compensated due to how many years they have been with the company. This process rewards productiveness and hard work.

Stevo

This is my experience with non union work. You get paid based on your production, not your time in

[FreightTrain]

This is my experience with non union work. You get paid based on your production, not your time in

You guys don't have a clue with all the time = money arugments. On the Railroad everyone makes the same. It doesn't matter if you've been there 30 years or 30 minutes. If both guys are doing the same job both guys get paid the same amount.

[The King]

You guys don't have a clue with all the time = money arugments. On the Railroad everyone makes the same. It doesn't matter if you've been there 30 years or 30 minutes. If both guys are doing the same job and both guys are union both guys get overpaid the same amount.

Fix't

[FreightTrain]

Fix't

Yea I'm over paid all right. How many people do you know have an FRA issued Class 1 Locomotive License? You can't exactly go down to your local community college and take a few night classes to get one.

[dewayne6243]

LOL, I agree completely!
One of the girls that I used to date was a train conductor for BNSF and was about as smart as a bag of rocks.
I heard that she used to make all the engineers mad because she honestly did not know WTF she was doing or what was even going on in the world for that matter!
How do I know...first hand word of mouth(my workout partner was an engineer for BNSF).
Every time she would piss people off, she would use the union and just get transferred to another board and/or city.

Beside her being "as smart as a bag of rocks" what else did you two have in common?

[FreightTrain]

LOL, I agree completely!
One of the girls that I used to date was a train conductor for BNSF and was about as smart as a bag of rocks.
I heard that she used to make all the engineers mad because she honestly did not know WTF she was doing or what was even going on in the world for that matter!
How do I know...first hand word of mouth(my workout partner was an engineer for BNSF).
Every time she would piss people off, she would use the union and just get transferred to another board and/or city.

All I got is WOW. Can't believe I missed this post. I dare you to post pics, but I'm sure you won't post the real pics of said ex gf because with my experience women on the railroad are always sub 5 on a scale of 1 to 10.

To get to the point of your post the union has nothing to do with transfers. BNSF has system wide seniority and anyone can change work locations at anytime. You could be working in Texas today and California next week if you wanted to move. It's a company rule and the union has nothing to do with it.

[Forever_frost]

Yea I'm over paid all right. How many people do you know have an FRA issued Class 1 Locomotive License? You can't exactly go down to your local community college and take a few night classes to get one.

Yet you union guys say the CEO's do not deserve what they make and the corporations are evil. You can't exactly go down to the local community college and take a few night classes to run GM or Exxon can you? So, why is it improper to question your pay yet it's fine for you guys to question CEO pay? Do you think you can do their job?

[stevo]

You guys don't have a clue with all the time = money arugments. On the Railroad everyone makes the same. It doesn't matter if you've been there 30 years or 30 minutes. If both guys are doing the same job both guys get paid the same amount.

So, it doesn't matter if one guy is fucking horrible at the job, and one guy is perfect at the job, they still get the same pay?

Fuck that sounds like a great basis to encourage someone to work at being a better employee. Oh wait...nevermind, you just described socialism.

Yea I'm over paid all right. How many people do you know have an FRA issued Class 1 Locomotive License? You can't exactly go down to your local community college and take a few night classes to get one.

So tell us, oh great driver of choo-choos, how many years did you study in train-driving college to have such a position?

Stevo

[Forever_frost]

And isn't most of the train driving done by automation?

[FreightTrain]

And isn't most of the train driving done by automation?

Not quite. It's all done by the seat of your pants. Getting them to move is the easy part. Stopping them is the tricky part.

[SVT Lurch]

Not quite. It's all done by the seat of your pants. Getting them to move is the easy part. Stopping them is the tricky part.

Who is in charge of keeping them on the track? Not this guy.

[Forever_frost]

So what you're saying is that no one could just sit down with the manual and figure out how to start and stop your train but someone with your many years of experience? And it's only because of this great amount of knowledge that you are able to stop a multi ton train moving at 50 miles an hour? One would think that stopping would be the easy part. Hell, even flying a plane is mostly done by automation.

[slow99]

So tell us, oh great driver of choo-choos, how many years did you study in train-driving college to have such a position?

Stevo

Lol. So now the FRA class 1 locomotive license requires some rigorous amount of education? This is starting to get ridiculous...

[90GT50]

Lol. So now the FRA class 1 locomotive license requires some rigorous amount of education? This is getting starting to get ridiculous...

Apparently you don't have to know the difference between your and you're to pass. Sounds tough!

[SMEGMA STENCH]

Yea I'm over paid all right. How many people do you know have an FRA issued Class 1 Locomotive License? You can't exactly go down to your local community college and take a few night classes to get one.

That's pretty much exactly what you do. Granted its not "down at the local community college", but its the same difference. It takes nearly no real education to get that license, according to various sources that google comes up with. Yeah, of course, you got things that you have to do for it. And yeah, you gotta learn some new things and get certified. But its nothing like a real education of any kind. Its not even on par with an associates degree, which you can't even get a job with these days. Not any kind of job worth having anyway.