Election 2012

[CJ]

"Conservatism, in my humble opinion, did not lose last night. It's just very difficult to beat Santa Claus. It is practically impossible to beat Santa Claus. People are not going to vote against Santa Claus, especially if the alternative is being your own Santa Claus." - Rush Limbaugh

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[SS Junk]

"Conservatism, in my humble opinion, did not lose last night. It's just very difficult to beat Santa Claus. It is practically impossible to beat Santa Claus. People are not going to vote against Santa Claus, especially if the alternative is being your own Santa Claus." - Rush Limbaugh

[Geor!]

The doors and windows are sticking!!!

[CJ]

You know, one thing that a lot of the Obama sympathizers have in common is a common liberal tendency. Nearsightedness. If you notice, all of these supporters are more than willing to be appeased by the administration. We're racking up debt on a biblical scale, and yet they have no issues with it, or at least it's not important enough to stop supporting them. Why? The exact reasons they mentioned. "Well, that doesn't affect me." or "My taxes are the same." So, the reality is - if you want to get re-elected, just make sure all the bad negative shit takes place in your second term, when you don't have to count on their votes. They're in this thread explaining this phenomenon to you. Do you really think the administration is stupid enough not to know this? Think I'm full of shit? Did you notice that Obamacare didn't take effect until after the election? Why didn't Obama address any of the debt in his first four years? Because the bill is coming to you naynay, 4eyedwillie, jluv, all of us. You can't spend 20 trillion dollars and expect to just ignore the collection calls. You will pay for this. At the moment you owe $218,000+, and your kids do as well. All of the money from all of the "rich people" wouldn't run the government for more than a few weeks. Companies don't pay taxes. That's a very common nearsighted misconception. You pay their taxes. If you tax a baker $0.50 per donut, do you think he's just going to say, "Oh well, I'll just make and sell 10 times more donuts to compensate." No, he's going to increase the price of his donuts by $0.50. He didn't pay the tax, you did. So remember that when it comes time to pay this debt back. Rich people won't be paying it, and businesses will definitely not be paying it.

[DON SVO]

I don't.

How'd they get it for the past 4 years without raising my taxes?

Like I said... robbing social security and creating a 6.6x trillion dollar deficit in less than 4 years.

[jluv]

Does the number 16 trillion ring a bell?

I'm not here to defend Obama. I think he mostly sucks. If you guys want someone to argue with you about whether Obama is a good candidate or not, hit up naynay or Grape or one of the other guys. I'm not the one.

My point is that the sky is falling attitude like the country is worthless and we're all doomed now is grossly exaggerated and silly. The last thing I'm gonna do is get caught up in the misery with you guys. I'd love to see a little optimism about our day to day life in general rub off on some of y'all, but I should have know that most people crave something to be negative about. Have fun (or don't) with all of that!

I'm just saying that the shit people said was going to affect me negatively in the past 4 years ended up not being true. So I don't really believe all the shit you guys say is going to happen this time. It sounds like the same bullshit from the last time around, and it's lost credibility. Life is pretty good, and a lot of that has to do with attitude.

[lowthreeohz]

I don't.

How'd they get it for the past 4 years without raising my taxes?

Put it on the national credit card...

[Baron Von Crowder]

I don't.

How'd they get it for the past 4 years without raising my taxes?

Does the number 16 trillion ring a bell?

[jluv]

how do you think they will get money to keep all these programs going if they dont raise taxes?

I don't.

How'd they get it for the past 4 years without raising my taxes?

[jw33]

What I understand is that people have talked all this doom and gloom talk since Obama made it in the first time, and it never came true for me, my family, my friends, my coworkers, etc. I just don't buy it. Things will always be screwed up, regardless of who's in charge, but a more positive outlook makes a world of difference in quality of life. People predicted that by now we'd be paying half our income on taxes, lose access to quality health care, or even have our president come out as a terrorist - they were wrong. It didn't come to fruition. Just a bunch of wasted time and energy saying or thinking that shit was true and worrying about it. It's the same thing now. What happens will happen, and Romney wouldn't have been able to stop it anyway.

Not going agree or disagree with you, but that is another thing the republican party has got to stop doing. Piling on top of Obama on every single issue is fucking retarded. It is ridiculous that no matter what happens or who does what the republicans want to take no blame and somehow put everything exclusively on the other party. It is childish and a losers mentality. When it is bad, it's bad, but don't go around screaming your head off and finding way to make everything look like shit no matter what.

[YALE]

Your opinions aren't stupid. It's not lost on anyone that politicians have agendas: Romney, Obama, Paul etc.al.

During Obama's first term, we have done some very scary things:

-Added 6.6x trillion in national debt
-national debt exceeded GDP
-Social Security was borrowed from heavily (think bailouts) and became insolvent
-a huge amount of our debt owned by China was divested and sold to Japan
-for 4 straight years, Obama failed to set a fiscal budget
-Obama has spent more than any other president, and that occupies a pivotal role in our debt load

I could care less about what a woman does with her body. I don't care if weed is legal. Gays can marry. That does not directly affect me. This election was still fixated on meaningless trivialities like the above.

We have a president that based his original campaign on "Change and Hope" and has literally failed to make good on any of his promises. We seriously need change. We need some hope. I'm terrified of what happens when our debt becomes a sticking point for other countries and our dollar devalues itself so much that it's worthless. Like, actually worthless. No amount of weed smoking and gay marriage will fix us when we become worthless to the world (in a fiscal sense).

My addendum to your list is not going to be a popular one on this board, but I'd like to mention that he also killed 2 American citizens without due process via drone strike, for essentially exercising their first amendment right to free association. He even joked about it at a White House dinner. They were Al Queda fucksticks, to be sure, but they were entitled to due process. I don't lose any sleep over their deaths, but I do lose sleep over the precedent this type of killing sets, especially after the NDAA was signed into law. I realize Section 31 was declared unconstitutional, but he clearly doesn't care about that, as he ordered the killings before the NDAA even went up for a vote.

[CJ]

The older I get, the less willing I am to explain economics to people.

[lowthreeohz]

My insurance costs went down. Food's a little higher. Fuel is outrageous, no doubt. But do you really think it would have been so different with McCain, or that Romney was going to fix it if he got in?

My insurance has increased like 40/mo. I don't think things would change simply with a different man in office, but it has a better chance of happening than our current situation allows, IMO.

[Baron Von Crowder]

What I understand is that people have talked all this doom and gloom talk since Obama made it in the first time, and it never came true for me, my family, my friends, my coworkers, etc. I just don't buy it. Things will always be screwed up, regardless of who's in charge, but a more positive outlook makes a world of difference in quality of life. People predicted that by now we'd be paying half our income on taxes, lose access to quality health care, or even have our president come out as a terrorist - they were wrong. It didn't come to fruition. Just a bunch of wasted time and energy saying or thinking that shit was true and worrying about it. It's the same thing now. What happens will happen, and Romney wouldn't have been able to stop it anyway.

how do you think they will get money to keep all these programs going if they dont raise taxes?

[jluv]

Cost of insurance, food, fuel, and store-bought items has gone through the roof in the last 4 years. I can't say for certain that it's O's fault.. but it sure has managed to hit the wallet while he's been in office. That's what this is about to me, i dont give a fuck about gays marrying, or anything like that. I worry my money isn't going as far as it used to.. it's like i put money in the top of the piggy bank while the governments hand is in the bottom raiding it. it's senseless. we've successfully created a generation of people looking for nothing more than their next handout.

My insurance costs went down. Food's a little higher. Fuel is outrageous, no doubt. But do you really think it would have been so different with McCain, or that Romney was going to fix it if he got in?