Election 2012

[DON SVO]

I'm not an Obama supporter. I think he's a snake. I also think Romney's a snake, as are most politicians.

That said, I think all the doom and gloom business is just silly. I still remember shortly after Obama was elected being told by members here that I would soon be paying 50% of my income in taxes. Never happened. Not even close.

Heck, nothing really changed for me for better or worse. Most people I know are in similar or maybe even better situations than they were in before Obama. I don't credit that to him at all, but the point is he didn't screw things up for everyone. I don't like everything he has done, in fact, I disagree with a lot of what he stands for, but I feel the same way about the republican party.

At the end of the day, I believe things just aren't really as bad as a lot around here make them out to be. The nation has not collapsed, and I don't think it will any time soon. Sure, we have problems as a country, some of them growing, but I'm not convinced that we wouldn't have just as many problems with someone else in office. And I'm not convinced that it's the end of the world, or that our country has gone/is going to hell in a handbasket. Some people are just so fucking negative about things. It's gotta suck to stress about it so damn much.

What's done is done. We're stuck with this clown for 4 more years, and it's very likely that we'll only be replacing him with another clown after that, and another after that, and so on. You can sit around and be pissed, or scared, or butthurt, or you can go out and make the best of each day, and smile about all of the positive things around you.

You can laugh at me or discredit my outlook on things, but I'm a happy dude, my life is pretty good, and I'm proud to be an American, while some of you just seem pissed, stressed, scared, and defeated. That's gotta suck.

Your opinions aren't stupid. It's not lost on anyone that politicians have agendas: Romney, Obama, Paul etc.al.

During Obama's first term, we have done some very scary things:

-Added 6.6x trillion in national debt
-national debt exceeded GDP
-Social Security was borrowed from heavily (think bailouts) and became insolvent
-a huge amount of our debt owned by China was divested and sold to Japan
-for 4 straight years, Obama failed to set a fiscal budget
-Obama has spent more than any other president, and that occupies a pivotal role in our debt load

I could care less about what a woman does with her body. I don't care if weed is legal. Gays can marry. That does not directly affect me. This election was still fixated on meaningless trivialities like the above.

We have a president that based his original campaign on "Change and Hope" and has literally failed to make good on any of his promises. We seriously need change. We need some hope. I'm terrified of what happens when our debt becomes a sticking point for other countries and our dollar devalues itself so much that it's worthless. Like, actually worthless. No amount of weed smoking and gay marriage will fix us when we become worthless to the world (in a fiscal sense).

[Jimbo]

So you're saying we just need to keep the faith?

Lol, I would say we are already on apathy.

[petyweestraw]

If I can get full citizenship in Australia I will fully renounce my US citizenship.

Why not Canada it's closer?

[Sean88gt]

I think, for me, it isn't as much doom and gloom about what this administration might do, but a realization of what they have gotten rolling and will continue to work towards. It feels like the tipping point. This us still pertinent for our republic:
A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
■From bondage to spiritual faith;
■From spiritual faith to great courage;
■From courage to liberty;
■From liberty to abundance;
■From abundance to complacency;
■From complacency to apathy;
■From apathy to dependence;
■From dependence back into bondage.

So you're saying we just need to keep the faith?

[Baron Von Crowder]

If I can get full citizenship in Australia I will fully renounce my US citizenship.

We are looking into going there and New Zealand maybe this summer.

[Rick Modena]

If I can get full citizenship in Australia I will fully renounce my US citizenship.

Good, get the fuck out of here. Trust me when I tell you, you won't be missed...

[Jimbo]

I think, for me, it isn't as much doom and gloom about what this administration might do, but a realization of what they have gotten rolling and will continue to work towards. It feels like the tipping point. This us still pertinent for our republic:
A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
■From bondage to spiritual faith;
■From spiritual faith to great courage;
■From courage to liberty;
■From liberty to abundance;
■From abundance to complacency;
■From complacency to apathy;
■From apathy to dependence;
■From dependence back into bondage.

[Sean88gt]

Heck yeah. My Dad has always been big on Kind Airs, but I have always loved Pilatus aircraft in that price range.

Was your dad a fan of Sky King growing up? I used to watch that with my dad.

Probably 10 yrs ago or so he was looking at a Tradewinds turbine Bonanza conversion, insane little planes. Now he has a hard on for the Piaggio's, but they escape his budget.

He also flew a Pilatus during his time in SE Asia.

[Moose242]

If I can get full citizenship in Australia I will fully renounce my US citizenship.

[jluv]

I'm not an Obama supporter. I think he's a snake. I also think Romney's a snake, as are most politicians.

That said, I think all the doom and gloom business is just silly. I still remember shortly after Obama was elected being told by members here that I would soon be paying 50% of my income in taxes. Never happened. Not even close.

Heck, nothing really changed for me for better or worse. Most people I know are in similar or maybe even better situations than they were in before Obama. I don't credit that to him at all, but the point is he didn't screw things up for everyone. I don't like everything he has done, in fact, I disagree with a lot of what he stands for, but I feel the same way about the republican party.

At the end of the day, I believe things just aren't really as bad as a lot around here make them out to be. The nation has not collapsed, and I don't think it will any time soon. Sure, we have problems as a country, some of them growing, but I'm not convinced that we wouldn't have just as many problems with someone else in office. And I'm not convinced that it's the end of the world, or that our country has gone/is going to hell in a handbasket. Some people are just so fucking negative about things. It's gotta suck to stress about it so damn much.

What's done is done. We're stuck with this clown for 4 more years, and it's very likely that we'll only be replacing him with another clown after that, and another after that, and so on. You can sit around and be pissed, or scared, or butthurt, or you can go out and make the best of each day, and smile about all of the positive things around you.

You can laugh at me or discredit my outlook on things, but I'm a happy dude, my life is pretty good, and I'm proud to be an American, while some of you just seem pissed, stressed, scared, and defeated. That's gotta suck.

[idrivea4banger]

I have to admit, I was pretty confident reading into polls, statistics, and election history about this election. I was slightly apprehensive about my confidence because I had never experienced an incumbent opponent election personally. I guess I drank the kool-aid, who knows. Been thinking about this election quite a bit. I have to be honest, sat here in my office for the first hour and really didn't do shit, just stared at the keyboard and paperwork contemplating. I find it sobering because I know I'm not only working hard to support myself, but my future is to support other people not willing to work as hard as me. That is really difficult (for me) to deal with, because I don't see any efforts in the government to change this. I hope this isn't our fate. I hope a lot of others feel the same way with where we are as a country, and I sincerely hope the consequences of the choices the majority made yesterday are not too much to overcome.

Amen brother....

[black2002ls]

I have to admit, I was pretty confident reading into polls, statistics, and election history about this election. I was slightly apprehensive about my confidence because I had never experienced an incumbent opponent election personally. I guess I drank the kool-aid, who knows. Been thinking about this election quite a bit. I have to be honest, sat here in my office for the first hour and really didn't do shit, just stared at the keyboard and paperwork contemplating. I find it sobering because I know I'm not only working hard to support myself, but my future is to support other people not willing to work as hard as me. That is really difficult (for me) to deal with, because I don't see any efforts in the government to change this. I hope this isn't our fate. I hope a lot of others feel the same way with where we are as a country, and I sincerely hope the consequences of the choices the majority made yesterday are not too much to overcome.

This pretty much sums it all up. Don't think I could have conveyed it any better myself. I've kind of been in that same stupor all day

I've had these exact same thoughts. Sad part is there is really nothing else we can do but go to work everyday. Otherwise we will lose everything we've worked hard for over the years.

This is the sad reality of it all.

[ceyko]

I find it sobering because I know I'm not only working hard to support myself, but my future is to support other people not willing to work as hard as me.

I've had these exact same thoughts. Sad part is there is really nothing else we can do but go to work everyday. Otherwise we will lose everything we've worked hard for over the years.

[Trip McNeely]

Well I'm eligible for Italian dual citizenship in 2 years so. There's that I guess. Lol.

[The King]

Four years from now, unemployment at 7.5% and the dumbasses will still be blaming bush for the shitty economy. Wouldn't surprise me if that muslim, Kenyan sack of shit issues an executive order for a third term

The Kenyan in Chief can get some pointers on how to arrange a third term from his idol Hugo Chavez the fat pig.