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  • CexMashean
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    Originally posted by Treasure Chest View Post
    That's not the real issue with the bill. The real issue is that it would make abortion almost impossible, even in cases of rape and maternal safety. It would even make non-surgical abortion difficult to obtain. Even in cases of rape, incest, or molestation.
    And how would it achieve those goals?

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  • talisman
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    Originally posted by EW View Post
    As a Texas republican, I am very embarrassed that this bill was even started. Republicans really know how to run voters off. WTF?! I am glad that Sen. Davis had the guts to do what she did.
    I have never understood the republican stance on abortion. IMO, with each unwanted pregnancy that comes to term, another dem voter/system milker is born. Why build your political opponents base? Abort early, abort often.

    <---Has never, ever voted for a dem (well...unless you count McCain but that is the GOP's fault).


    Excellent post.

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  • Sean88gt
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    The broads getting abortions will typically vote democrat. I'm surprised the republicans aren't the biggest advocates of any term abortion + payouts for minority abortions.

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  • Treasure Chest
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    Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
    Oh thank God we can still abort babies after they are 20 weeks in the womb. It was important to have that ability.
    That's not the real issue with the bill. The real issue is that it would make abortion almost impossible, even in cases of rape and maternal safety. It would even make non-surgical abortion difficult to obtain. Even in cases of rape, incest, or molestation.

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  • Baron Von Crowder
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    Originally posted by EW View Post
    As a Texas republican, I am very embarrassed that this bill was even started. Republicans really know how to run voters off. WTF?! I am glad that Sen. Davis had the guts to do what she did.
    I have never understood the republican stance on abortion. IMO, with each unwanted pregnancy that comes to term, another dem voter/system milker is born. Why build your political opponents base? Abort early, abort often.

    <---Has never, ever voted for a dem (well...unless you count McCain but that is the GOP's fault).
    If the repubs could shake the abortion stance, I would be a whole lot happier. I'm pretty middle of the road on that issue, but neither side wants to give ground, and I dont really think they should be the ones to make that call.

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  • racrguy
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    Originally posted by EW View Post
    As a Texas republican, I am very embarrassed that this bill was even started. Republicans really know how to run voters off. WTF?! I am glad that Sen. Davis had the guts to do what she did.
    I have never understood the republican stance on abortion. IMO, with each unwanted pregnancy that comes to term, another dem voter/system milker is born. Why build your political opponents base? Abort early, abort often.

    <---Has never, ever voted for a dem (well...unless you count McCain but that is the GOP's fault).
    Not only that, but the blatant hypocrisy is mind numbing. "I care about you while you're in the womb, but after you pop out of the pussy you're on your own!"

    I also agree that there need to be more abortions in the world, they're a LOT cheaper than someone on government assistance. That's not even counting the cost to educate the kid. If an education is what you call the thing kids get in this state.

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  • EW
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    As a Texas republican, I am very embarrassed that this bill was even started. Republicans really know how to run voters off. WTF?! I am glad that Sen. Davis had the guts to do what she did.
    I have never understood the republican stance on abortion. IMO, with each unwanted pregnancy that comes to term, another dem voter/system milker is born. Why build your political opponents base? Abort early, abort often.

    <---Has never, ever voted for a dem (well...unless you count McCain but that is the GOP's fault).
    Last edited by EW; 06-26-2013, 07:16 AM.

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  • grove rat
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    fucking crooked spineless politicians and lawmakers.. they have to do their dirty work at night when everyone is sleeping




    i am not a woman so i dont pick a side on the abortion stuff

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  • Broncojohnny
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    Oh thank God we can still abort babies after they are 20 weeks in the womb. It was important to have that ability.

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  • talisman
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    AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Despite barely beating a midnight deadline, hundreds of jeering protesters helped stop Texas lawmakers from passing one of the toughest abortion measures in the country.

    As the protesters raised the noise to deafening levels in the Texas Senate chamber late Tuesday, Republicans scrambled to gather their colleagues at the podium for a stroke-of-midnight vote.

    "Get them out!" Sen. Donna Campbell shouted to a security guard, pointing to the thundering crowd in the gallery overhead that had already been screaming for more than 10 minutes.

    "Time is running out," Campbell pleaded. "I want them out of here!"
    It didn't work. The noise never stopped and despite barely beating the midnight end-of-session deadline with a vote to pass the bill, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said the chaos in the chamber prevented him from formally signing it before the deadline passed, effectively killing it.

    Dewhurst denounced the protesters as an "unruly mob." Democrats who urged them on called the outburst democracy in action.

    In either point of view, a raucous crowd of chanting, singing, shouting demonstrators effectively took over the Texas Capitol and blocked a bill that abortion rights groups warned would close most abortion clinics in the state.
    "They were asking for their voices to be heard," said Sen. Wendy Davis of Fort Worth, who spent nearly 11 hours trying to filibuster the bill before the outburst. "The results speak for themselves."

    The final outcome took several hours to sort out.

    Initially, Republicans insisted the vote started before the midnight deadline and passed the bill that Democrats spent the day trying to kill. But after official computer records and printouts of the voting record showed the vote took place Wednesday, and then were changed to read Tuesday, senators retreated into a private meeting to reach a conclusion.

    At 3 a.m., Dewhurst emerged from the meeting still insisting the 19-10 vote was in time, but said, "with all the ruckus and noise going on, I couldn't sign the bill" and declared it dead.

    He denounced the more than 400 protesters who staged what they called "a people's filibuster" from 11:45 p.m. to well past midnight. He denied mishandling the debate.

    "I didn't lose control (of the chamber). We had an unruly mob," Dewhurst said. He even hinted that Gov. Rick Perry may immediately call another 30-day special session, adding: "It's over. It's been fun. But see you soon."

    Many of the protesters had flocked to the normally quiet Capitol to support Davis, who gained national attention and a mention from President Barack Obama's campaign Twitter account. Her Twitter following went from 1,200 in the morning to more than 20,000 by Tuesday night.

    "My back hurts. I don't have a lot of words left," Davis said when it was over and she was showered with cheers by activists who stayed at the Capitol to see her. "It shows the determination and spirit of Texas women."
    Davis' mission was cut short but her effort ultimately helped Democrats earn a rare victory in a Legislature dominated by Republicans for more than a decade.

    "It's a bad bill," said Sen. Kirk Watson of Austin, leader of the Senate Democrats.

    The bill would ban abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy and force many clinics that perform the procedure to upgrade their facilities and be classified as ambulatory surgical centers. Also, doctors would be required to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles — a tall order in rural communities.

    If signed into law, the measures would have closed almost every abortion clinic in Texas, a state 773 miles wide and 790 miles long with 26 million people. A woman living along the Mexico border or in West Texas would have to drive hundreds of miles to obtain an abortion if the law passed. The law's provision that abortions be performed at surgical centers means only five of Texas' 42 abortion clinics are currently designated to remain in operation.
    Republicans and anti-abortion groups insisted their goal was to improve women's health care, but also acknowledged wanting clinics to close.

    "If this passes, abortion would be virtually banned in the state of Texas, and many women could be forced to resort to dangerous and unsafe measures," said Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood Action Fund and daughter of the late former Texas governor Ann Richards.

    The showdown came after Davis had slogged her way through about 11 hours of speaking while Senate Republicans — and several House members — watched and listened for any slipup that would allow them to end the filibuster and call a vote.

    Democrats chose Davis, of Fort Worth, to lead the effort because of her background; she had her first child as a teenager and went on to graduate from Harvard Law School.

    Rules stipulated she remain standing, not lean on her desk or take any breaks — even for meals or to use the bathroom. But she also was required to stay on topic, and Republicans pointed out a mistake and later protested again when another lawmaker helped her with a back brace.

    Lawmakers can vote to end a filibuster after three sustained points of order. As tension mounted over Davis' speech and the dwindling clock, Campbell, a first-term lawmaker from New Braunfels, made the call on the third violation, sparking nearly two hours of debate on how to handle it.

    After much back and forth and senators shouting over each other, the Republican majority forced a vote to end the filibuster minutes before midnight, sparking the raucous response from protesters.

    Senate security and several Department of Public Safety state troopers tried to quiet the crowd but were simply outnumbered and had no hope of stopping the outburst.

    Sen. Dan Patrick, R-Houston, blamed the confusion surrounding the final vote on the demonstrators and Democratic senators who urged them on.

    "Had that not happened, everyone would have known," what was happening, Patrick said.

    Standing next to him was Sen. Juan "Chuy" Hinojosa, a Democrat.

    "This is democracy," Hinojosa said. "They have a right to speak."

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  • talisman
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    Originally posted by Vertnut View Post
    I could be wrong. I just saw an article that it DID. Damn, I hate the internet.


    LOL, I just read an article that said it didn't.

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  • Vertnut
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    I could be wrong. I just saw an article that it DID. Damn, I hate the internet.

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  • talisman
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    That thing was ridiculous. Glad it didn't pass.

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  • Vertnut
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    It did not pass.

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  • 90GT50
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    Well, maybe not. I guess we'll know eventually?

    Texas senators are trying to get to the bottom of whether Republicans successfully pushed through a vote on Senate Bill 5, the omnibus abortion restriction bill, ahead of their midnight deadline.

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