Tesla to Texas: How Do You Like Us Now?

[Forever_frost]

Within the year is too far out in the future?

To Aggie and SVO, neither of you have explained why EV's are flash in the pan, won't work, or some other reason they won't work. You've both said technology hasn't progressed, but when looking at the reality of the situation, it disagrees with you.

Again, you don't have to like EV's, and I'm not asking you to. What I am asking you to do is have a valid justification as to why others shouldn't like them. I'm sorry, experiments you did long enough ago to classify a car as an antique/classic don't count.

Unless you live in the city, this isn't viable tech. For me to go from my house to the VA and back would go through a complete charge, if I didn't flog it. When I got home (with stopping nowhere else), I would have to plug it in and wait until the next day before I could go grocery shopping. How would this make sense for anyone outside of the city centers?

[racrguy]

Well, I'm discussing the reality of owning one of these cars today, not in the future.

Within the year is too far out in the future?

To Aggie and SVO, neither of you have explained why EV's are flash in the pan, won't work, or some other reason they won't work. You've both said technology hasn't progressed, but when looking at the reality of the situation, it disagrees with you.

Again, you don't have to like EV's, and I'm not asking you to. What I am asking you to do is have a valid justification as to why others shouldn't like them. I'm sorry, experiments you did long enough ago to classify a car as an antique/classic don't count.

[CJ]

At the moment, yes. That's the thing about new infrastructure, they're building more and more as time goes on. When ICE cars came about there weren't gas stations everywhere. Were the nay-sayers of the day correct?

Well, I'm discussing the reality of owning one of these cars today, not in the future.

[aggie97]

If battery technology hasn't progressed "much at all" then why do we have some EV's only able to go 30-40 miles, yet another able to go hundreds? Also, why are we regularly changing battery chemicals for increased power, efficiency, and storage capacity if we aren't developing new materials?

Easy, the cheaper solution only goes 40 miles. the "costs as much as a house" option can go further. How much do you want to spend on a car? That Tesla is 82,000 dollars before taxes and you have to go out of state to buy it! I'll take a $25k Nissan Altima and 30 years of gasoline....or two more cars for wife and child.

[bcoop]

And EV charge stations are popping up all over. You may not have recognized it, but they're out and about.

There are probably 10+ within a 5 mile radius of 114 and MacArthur. These things are popping up outside of restaurants everywhere. I know for a fact there are 2 in the lot between Champp's & The Ranch. And they've been there for 3 years or so.

[CJ]

So how do these super capacitors work? They suck a ton of power from your house and then store it for a period? 15,000 farad capacitor. Your lights will never dim when you listen to Jay Z!

[CWO]

http://m.digitaltrends.com/cars/iron-mans-ride-goes-electric-audi-r8-e-tron-coming-second-half-2014/#!zGDqO

[racrguy]

the refinement he is talking about is less than 10% in efficiency. Seriously, battery technology hasn't progressed much at all because the chemistry and physics of it hasn't changed. Unless you develop new materials not currently on the periodic table, there is no NEW technology. Trust me, the engineers have been trying for 60 years and they aren't exactly dumb or underfunded.

If battery technology hasn't progressed "much at all" then why do we have some EV's only able to go 30-40 miles, yet another able to go hundreds? Also, why are we regularly changing battery chemicals for increased power, efficiency, and storage capacity if we aren't developing new materials?

[aggie97]

At the moment, yes. That's the thing about new infrastructure, they're building more and more as time goes on. When ICE cars came about there weren't gas stations everywhere. Were the nay-sayers of the day correct?

When you drive any car like you stole it the efficiency goes down.


Oh, so refining existing technology with new processes and materials isn't new technology? If you want to classify new technology the way you did, there is little to no new technology. In fact, I can't think of a time when a new technology came about in my lifetime, going by your requirements.

the refinement he is talking about is less than 10% in efficiency. Seriously, battery technology hasn't progressed much at all because the chemistry and physics of it hasn't changed. Unless you develop new materials not currently on the periodic table, there is no NEW technology. Trust me, the engineers have been trying for 60 years and they aren't exactly dumb or underfunded.

[Baron Von Crowder]

And EV charge stations are popping up all over. You may not have recognized it, but they're out and about.

there's one at the shell station on beltline and 30 I saw on the way in today.

[Ruffdaddy]

And EV charge stations are popping up all over. You may not have recognized it, but they're out and about.

[Ruffdaddy]

svo855 is very confused on the state of technology. Even fucking RC electronics have come a long way on a few decades.

One of those old types that doesn't believe in advancement.

[racrguy]

You know the chances of finding one of those around here in reality and being at the right time when you need one is probably slim as shit. Hell, finding a damn 110 outlet and letting someone use it (without being arrested) is probably going to be a little tricky. I asked him about range, he said if you like driving fast, you probably shouldn't buy one unless you're within 15 miles of work. So I presume driving it like you stole it flogs your range.

At the moment, yes. That's the thing about new infrastructure, they're building more and more as time goes on. When ICE cars came about there weren't gas stations everywhere. Were the nay-sayers of the day correct?

When you drive any car like you stole it the efficiency goes down.

I was talking specifically about the motors. Permanent magnet variable speed motors have been around since the 1950s but there was no use for them because they were huge money(and still are) and power was cheap. Batteries have gotten better also but charging systems have not gotten anymore efficient since the early 60's. With almost no exceptions all of the tech that goes into an electric car is pretty old tech that is now being refined to try to make it actually into something that can be used like a real car. About the only new stuff that is on them is a low lose buss and a PWM motor controller. Were it not for politics none of it would have even seen the light of day.

Oh, so refining existing technology with new processes and materials isn't new technology? If you want to classify new technology the way you did, there is little to no new technology. In fact, I can't think of a time when a new technology came about in my lifetime, going by your requirements.

[svauto-erotic855]

Oh. Batteries, electric motors, and charging systems haven't changed at all in the past 40 years. What was it I said about being a poor engineer earlier?

I was talking specifically about the motors. Permanent magnet variable speed motors have been around since the 1950s but there was no use for them because they were huge money(and still are) and power was cheap. Batteries have gotten better also but charging systems have not gotten anymore efficient since the early 60's. With almost no exceptions all of the tech that goes into an electric car is pretty old tech that is now being refined to try to make it actually into something that can be used like a real car. About the only new stuff that is on them is a low lose buss and a PWM motor controller. Were it not for politics none of it would have even seen the light of day.

[CJ]

Fuck, on 110 of course it's going to take forever and a day. I was under the impression that we were talking about infrastructure grade chargers like you can find at Teslas new charging stations along the roads.

You know the chances of finding one of those around here in reality and being at the right time when you need one is probably slim as shit. Hell, finding a damn 110 outlet and letting someone use it (without being arrested) is probably going to be a little tricky. I asked him about range, he said if you like driving fast, you probably shouldn't buy one unless you're within 15 miles of work. So I presume driving it like you stole it flogs your range.