Shot over handgun

[svauto-erotic855]

That is nothing like what he is saying and you know it. LOL!

He sounds exactly like the rest of the chicken little's crying about people having firearms.

[SS Junk]

I am wondering, svo855. You've been here for over four years. How is it we are just now finding out about your super powers?

[svauto-erotic855]

I'm in the middle. I agree that once you are released, you should be considered time served. To me though, that means full sentences and no plea bargains. It's a grey area though. I don't want some thug who gets a 2 year sentence because he testified against his drug dealer buddy to get out and have full rights when he didn't serve his time for his real crime. Make sense?

How about not having bullshit laws. To me a drug dealer is a person making an honest living conducting a private transaction between consenting adults. Selling to a child is another matter.

FYI: without plea bargains the courts would never be able to function and the guilty would walk the streets.

While we are at it, we might as well let convicted child molesters become high school cheerleader coaches.

That is not a good example. There is nothing that mere possession of that should be illegal for one person while being perfectly legal for another person.

Don't forget about all the multiple DUI/DWI people who should get hired for trucking jobs.

Should the police be able to lock you in a prison and seize you property for owning a car if you have ever been drunk before?

[Denny]

You sound exactly like Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, and Dianne Feinstein. All 3 claim that "The amount of shootings will skyrocket to previously unimaginable levels" unless we ban assault weapons, magazines that hold more then 10 rounds, semi autos of any sort, concealed carry, open carry, having functional firearms in the home, anything that can pierce a level III vest etc.......

That is nothing like what he is saying and you know it. LOL!

[svauto-erotic855]

This just in, Ceyko, Frost, Gasser, and SVO get their way with the 2nd, the amount of shootings skyrocket to previously unimaginable levels.

You sound exactly like Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, and Dianne Feinstein. All 3 claim that "The amount of shootings will skyrocket to previously unimaginable levels" unless we ban assault weapons, magazines that hold more then 10 rounds, semi autos of any sort, concealed carry, open carry, having functional firearms in the home, anything that can pierce a level III vest etc.......

[Gasser64]

I am. Once you are released, you should have all rights returned. You served your debt to society and if you're still a danger, then you shouldn't be released. Evidently they think you're fine to release into the public so you should be fine to have every one of your God given rights restored. It's not like making it illegal for felons to own firearms actually stops felons from owning firearms.

Have to agree here. At what point, is their debt repaid? I mean hell, if you're that concerned about what they might do, you'd best not release them. Its probably really better if you'd just put them to death. Cause gun or no gun, if they want to do violence, you're not going to stop them, once they're released. I'd like to hear magnus explain how. I can go pick up a brick that came with my house and bash several heads before the police eventually show up.

Also there is the matter of those who have learned their lesson, and just want to get on with their lives. Anyone who really wants to can change, and I wouldn't deprive that person of the ability to defend themselves any more than I would an innocent person who's never been convicted of a felony. Lastly, what type of felony are we talking about here? Some guy who funneled a bunch of money away into his own coffers? Or a guy who made a habit of running away with purses? At best, you only have an argument for violent offenders.

This just in, Ceyko, Frost, Gasser, and SVO get their way with the 2nd, the amount of shootings skyrocket to previously unimaginable levels.

Yeah, cause people already known to have committed a felony, are going to be so strongly deterred by the law.

"Well hell, they said I can't have no gun. Guess I'd better not get one then". Said no hardened criminal ever.

Yes this would seem to counter my own previous argument, except for one thing. You just don't know, (or maybe the prison psychologists DO know) and that's why they've been released. You're unilaterally depriving the good, and the bad, of the right to defend themselves. When the bad will do whatever they damn well please anyway.

[SBFORDTECH]

Hell - my thought for this thread/purpose is different really though. Although, I want to agree that felons should have a reset on their rights. All I'm trying to say in this thread - is *I* and other relatively decent citizens should not have to deal with paperwork, background checks and all those sorts of things.

This.

Among many things, we should not have to "buy" our rights back in the form of a CHL permit.

[ceyko]

While we are at it, we might as well let convicted child molesters become high school cheerleader coaches.

This is not a reasonable comparison to me, but I understand your thinking. If laws actually prevented criminals for obtaining guns - I'd agree. Hell, I've agreed up until recently.

Reality seems to be a different matter though and the only ones that have the hassle are the law abiding folks.

It's illegal to do a lot of things and those are separate debates to me - but this is a right that we're talking about. Being a cheerleader coach is not a right.

Hell - my thought for this thread/purpose is different really though. Although, I want to agree that felons should have a reset on their rights. All I'm trying to say in this thread - is *I* and other relatively decent citizens should not have to deal with paperwork, background checks and all those sorts of things.

[CexMashean]

While we are at it, we might as well let convicted child molesters become high school cheerleader coaches.

Don't forget about all the multiple DUI/DWI people who should get hired for trucking jobs.

[juiceweezl]

While we are at it, we might as well let convicted child molesters become high school cheerleader coaches.

Hey, no need to bring your favorite topic into this firearm discussion. I kid, I kid!

[SBFORDTECH]

I'm in the middle. I agree that once you are released, you should be considered time served. To me though, that means full sentences and no plea bargains. It's a grey area though. I don't want some thug who gets a 2 year sentence because he testified against his drug dealer buddy to get out and have full rights when he didn't serve his time for his real crime. Make sense?

Perfect sense.

[SBFORDTECH]

Make all guns illegal just as we have outlawed drugs. There's no drugs on the street.

The inherent nature of a criminal is to not abide by the law. I don't believe our unalienable right to bear arms should be infringed upon whatsoever. Any gun law in existence or future law would only be respected by those who abide by the law of the land anyway. We have the right and duty to protect and defends ourselves as individuals and as a community from all enemies, whether it be a threat from other individuals or a tyrannical government. Whether you are a convicted felon or Mother Theresa, you have that right.

I respect both sides of the argument in this thread but, if we can't trust someone to exercise their God given rights with responsibility then why are we releasing them from prison to begin with.

Last night, a man convicted of terrorism charges in 2010 and was no doubt on every watch list in the country was able to acquire an AK 47 and ammunition and then attempted to murder dozens of people. The laws that prohibited him from possessing a firearm have done quite the opposite.

[Denny]

While we are at it, we might as well let convicted child molesters become high school cheerleader coaches.

[juiceweezl]

I am. ONce you are released, you should have all rights returned. You served your debt to society and if you're still a danger, then you shouldn't be released. Evidently they think you're fine to release into the public so you should be fine to have every one of your God given rights restored. It's not like making it illegal for felons to own firearms actually stops felons from owning firearms.

Once convicted of a felony, you give up some of your rights... and justifiably so.

I'm in the middle. I agree that once you are released, you should be considered time served. To me though, that means full sentences and no plea bargains. It's a grey area though. I don't want some thug who gets a 2 year sentence because he testified against his drug dealer buddy to get out and have full rights when he didn't serve his time for his real crime. Make sense?

[CexMashean]

This just in, Ceyko, Frost, Gasser, and SVO get their way with the 2nd, the amount of shootings skyrocket to previously unimaginable levels.