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[Gasser64]

every time gasser64 posts...

Dude I'm surprised you can even follow the conversation lol. Given some of the shit you've posted over the years...

Do you even understand what we're talking about? Ever heard of fusion? rofl!

Don't act like you even know what we're talking about

[Gasser64]

Your statement, dude, not mine.

Again, the "search" part would cover that. Not real sure what's so hard to understand about that.

Just watch this, it'll serve as a good enough answer to pretty much all that stuff you said. One last time: No I do not think that this is going to happen right now, as I'm typing this. Or even in the next 5 minutes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZm_mpbKX5c

[dsrtuckteezy]

every time gasser64 posts...

[Strychnine]

That'd be why I never said it did. And mentioned doing a search. Cause it didn't.

Your statement, dude, not mine.

the working time is increasing. The ratio is something like 50Mw in, 500Mw comes out. They've been able to have that work for... I forget but you can easily search and find out exactly. It was something like 4 min, then 16 min, then later 1 hr, then later still 4 hours. Do you really think they're just going to stop? Be realistic man: They all want this so bad they can taste it, and that run time is just going to keep increasing and increasing, until it stays on all the time

[The King]

use all the electric cars you want you still have the petrochemical industry and plastics . i first heard these pipe dreams in the 60's and very little has come to pass .

Reminiscent of the grandiose claims in the 60's that nuclear power plants would generate electricity "too cheap to meter", LOL.

[Gasser64]

That's not what your article said.

That'd be why I never said it did. And mentioned doing a search. Cause it didn't.

to pretend the staus quo is going to change next week is disingenuous.

Jesus. Did you miss the last 10 posts? Next week lol

I don't blame him for believing it is right around the corner.

I mean... sure if you think that 10-15-20 years is "right around the corner". I don't, but you can if you want to. Hell maybe it's 30 or 40 years, who really knows. But it'll happen. Trouble is most of you guys will have died by then.

[AnthonyS]

So much so, we're killing ourselves by extracting more efficiently and more quantity we are flooding the market and it's depressing the price. Good for the consumer though. You'd be amazed at the things we can do to steel pipe and the lengths we're getting. It's quite astonishing that you can sink a string of pipe into the ground and then go laterally 3.5 miles.

I work on a very different side of this business, but I’m always amazed by the naysayers. One of the big reasons we have $2.20 gas again is American ingenuity and the freedom to develop and profit from your labor. There is a reason the rest of the oil producing world comes to us for tech and knowledge. The ways energy is developed, used, produced will change, but to think we can go green in the near future is absurd.

[Trip McNeely]

The energy business keeps improving and adapting too.

So much so, we're killing ourselves by extracting more efficiently and more quantity we are flooding the market and it's depressing the price. Good for the consumer though. You'd be amazed at the things we can do to steel pipe and the lengths we're getting. It's quite astonishing that you can sink a string of pipe into the ground and then go laterally 3.5 miles.

[AnthonyS]

I don't blame him for believing it is right around the corner. There are more intelligent people than him who buy into the story. There are even people who are willing to lose tons of money on the idea. God bless them. Personally I believe that there is tons of money to be made by buying energy companies in the stock market because of this widespread belief.

This story was at a fever pitch when I was in college in the early 90s. Every prediction ever made about the energy business since forever, has been wrong. The energy business keeps improving and adapting too.

[Broncojohnny]

I don't blame him for believing it is right around the corner. There are more intelligent people than him who buy into the story. There are even people who are willing to lose tons of money on the idea. God bless them. Personally I believe that there is tons of money to be made by buying energy companies in the stock market because of this widespread belief.

[Strychnine]

The ratio is something like 50Mw in, 500Mw comes out. They've been able to have that work for... I forget but you can easily search and find out exactly. It was something like 4 min, then 16 min, then later 1 hr, then later still 4 hours.

That's not what your article said.

The best result is with the British JET, which returns up to 67% of the energy spent. Due to the scale of the ITER design (it will be a huge one about the height of a nine-story building, and about the same diameter), the creators expect that the reactor will be able to emit ten times more energy than is spent on plasma heating (give 500 MW with 50 MW)

50 in 500 out is some future expectation. 67% is a far cry from 1000%.

To makes it clear to everyone, we're now talking about fusion and have strayed far from an embassy and fossil fuels...

You're going to have to accept that it does work whether you like it or not. There's a big giant blob of it out there that we call the sun. If they observe it in nature, it's only a matter of time before they copy it.

And you just might have to accept that "It exists in nature" is not the same as "we can control it." When you build new chemistry into refining there are three steps - lab bench-top, test unit, and production. Tokamak fusion tech is still early lab stages.

Going to the moon was easy by comparison, you just had to figure out how to not die doing it. Point A to point B issues are pretty tame but the budgets need to be really big for some task.

True. Earth : Moon via space :: Midwest : west coast via Oregon Trail. Infrastructure was lacking, but knowledge and technology was there. Just keep fighting until someone makes it. Newtonian mechanics + engineering + money + people willing to die = moon. There was no "Fuck, we need new materials to handle this" or "Fuck, we don't even have the money to start playing with this." Throw bodies at it until you get there.



FWIF, I'm certainly not against any of this fusion tech, but to sit here and act like its just around the corner and fossil fuels are going to die tomorrow is asinine. At best, the worlds first tokamak reactor will come online in 2025 and will take at least another 10 years past that to fully power up. Then you have one running... adoption and expansion will take decades more because of the cost. And you'll still have to rebuild powergrids to implement HVDC transmission and eliminate interconnect issues (could cost nearly $5 TRILLION just to do the US)...

It's fun to be a futurist, but to pretend the staus quo is going to change next week is disingenuous.

[svauto-erotic855]

^^^ You are yammering on about something that doesn't exist yet and we are not even entirely sure that it ever will. I have no problem with change but I am an engineer by schooling and I am a very practical one. As of yet there is no replacement for fossil fuels and none of the stuff being discussed will be able to replace them.

Going to the moon was easy by comparison, you just had to figure out how to not die doing it. Point A to point B issues are pretty tame but the budgets need to be really big for some task.

[bubbaearl]

use all the electric cars you want you still have the petrochemical industry and plastics . i first heard these pipe dreams in the 60's and very little has come to pass .

[Gasser64]

there will always be a need for crude oil . it may decrease some but the need for it will still be there .

I'd replace "some" with "dramatically". If it goes so far as to become "some", it will definitely keep going in that direction until it's "dramatically".

... this year's ...

late summer of this year ...

next year ...

Well I tried.

You're going to have to accept that it does work whether you like it or not. There's a big giant blob of it out there that we call the sun. If they observe it in nature, it's only a matter of time before they copy it.

So I say again, that run time is just going to keep increasing and increasing, until it stays on all the time. I'd really like to hear you address that. Or maybe not.

I mean... do you just not believe that actually happened? I guess they're all lying? Oh well. Also I'm offering no personal opinion on what's good, bad, or ugly. I just like to keep up with all the latest and greatest as some kind of a hobby.

You should also know that you're definitely not alone when "You've heard about it for years". They also "heard about it for years" before they landed on the moon. There were die hards back then that thought the exact same way you do. Saying it was just impossible, or for one reason or another it would just never happen, or they'd simply die when they got there. All proven wrong just as you will be. Fighting against inevitable change like some kind of ancient dinosaur won't stop it. It's also futile.

It's better to be nimble and adapt. When you're too old, they're going to take your license away and give you an electric car that you can't control manually.

[Strychnine]

I follow some Peshmerga guys on social shit and 20 minutes ago one posted that more rockets were just fired at the embassy in Baghdad.

https://mobile.twitter.com/peshmergaswe