Naked unarmed college student murdered by police

[Forever_frost]

Are you possessing extra chromosomes? This person pervented further casualties by killing the psycho that was beating and eating people!

I didn't see "eating people." I saw "he attempted to bite a lady." That's not eating someone. Again, his first response shoudlnt' have been that pistol. If he had used ANYTHING else first, an arm bar, a tackle, throwing a coffee cup, then there'd be no issue on my part.

My problem is that pistol became his first and only resort.

[ThreeFingerPete]

He doesnt have the option of not opening the door! He's the one required to open it. I can't believe you two are this fucking dense. "Trouble? I'm the person designatEd to handle it, better pass the buck than do my job." You are both smarter than what you are spewing.

Are you this fucking stupid? He doesn't have to open the door at that very second, if he's all by his little lonesome and feels the situation requires more backup. It's not "passing the buck" if you're quickly forming a plan to deal with the arising problem.

Would he be required to open the door at that second if it were 10 bad guys outside with guns? Of course not. You're being obtuse.

[Forever_frost]

He doesnt have the option of not opening the door! He's the one required to open it. I can't believe you two are this fucking dense. "Trouble? I'm the person designatEd to handle it, better pass the buck than do my job." You are both smarter than what you are spewing.

Yes, he has the option of opening it. Or do you think officers dont' wait for backup when they think there's trouble?

[BradM]

By "bitching that they don't protect and serve" you mean that he simply stated that Police are supposed to do exactly that, and at one point in time, their mission statement was plastered across almost every cruiser in the country.

Now, you'll rarely see that, and they apparently aren't required to, as illustrated by case after case where cops destroy lives and are given a free pass because they have a badge.

You seem to be imagining Frost flip-flopping on this one.

Are you possessing extra chromosomes? This person prevented further casualties by killing the psycho that was beating and eating people!

[Forever_frost]

...but you bitch that they don't protect and serve. I'm confused by your arguments sometimes or I read them out of context. The reality is, I don't care enough to quote 20 posts from you - but one of them bitching specifically had me looking up the FWPD mission statement...

anyway, going to bed.

Yes, I bitch they don't do the job they claim to. That they put on the side of their vehicles and everyone has been trained to believe they do. The whole perception of them as protectors is built on a lie.

This asshole called for backup and then went outside with his weapon drawn and opened fire on an unarmed citizen. Report said that the cop was 'chased 50 feet.' 50 feet? That's what? A few strides? He wasn't chased, he stepped backwards a few times and then opened fire. Fuck that. If he was so in fear, he should have stayed his ass inside until backup arrived.

[ThreeFingerPete]

...but you bitch that they don't protect and serve. I'm confused by your arguments sometimes or I read them out of context. The reality is, I don't care enough to quote 20 posts from you - but one of them bitching specifically had me looking up the FWPD mission statement...

anyway, going to bed.

By "bitching that they don't protect and serve" you mean that he simply stated that Police are supposed to do exactly that, and at one point in time, their mission statement was plastered across almost every cruiser in the country.

Now, you'll rarely see that, and they apparently aren't required to, as illustrated by case after case where cops destroy lives and are given a free pass because they have a badge.

You seem to be imagining Frost flip-flopping on this one.

[BradM]

Yeah, see that's my thought. Someone's outside banging on the door? I'm not opening that door. If he was scared by this lone individual unarmed and unclothed (he wasnt' hiding any weapons on him) and his first response was getting his gun on, he needs to face prosecution for killing an unarmed man.

He doesnt have the option of not opening the door! He's the one required to open it. I can't believe you two are this fucking dense. "Trouble? I'm the person designatEd to handle it, better pass the buck than do my job." You are both smarter than what you are spewing.

[ceyko]

Police do NOT protect or serve. They are under no obligation to do so either. “In the landmark decision of DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services,” Stevens writes, “The US Supreme Court declared that the constitution does not impose a duty on the state and local governments to protect citizens from critical harm.”

They are revenue generators, and something shiny to look at. With current laws, they have too much power, not enough regulation and are almost impossible to prosecute. And when you do try, they claim qualified immunity or get a few days off for gunning down innocents in their own home.

I'm very much against this. And anyone who do back cops because...they're cops, read up. They dont' have to protect you and many won't. They'd rather sit in their cars and play on their phones than answer a call from someone barricaded in a room with someone cutting through their door with an axe.

...but you bitch that they don't protect and serve. I'm confused by your arguments sometimes or I read them out of context. The reality is, I don't care enough to quote 20 posts from you - but one of them bitching specifically had me looking up the FWPD mission statement...

anyway, going to bed.

[Forever_frost]

Let me put it in really simple terms. I don't think that police should kill unarmed people, who have are not actively in the middle of committing a violent felony. If a cop can't go "hands on" and attempt to control a single, solitary person, then that cop shouldn't be a cop.


Umm.. a door that he was "banging on". Which was holding up well apparently since he didn't knock it down.

If you think I'm going to make the tactically stupid error of leaving a safe environment to wander out into the dark where there is one or more unknown people banging on the door, you're high.

Yeah, see that's my thought. Someone's outside banging on the door? I'm not opening that door. If he was scared by this lone individual unarmed and unclothed (he wasnt' hiding any weapons on him) and his first response was getting his gun on, he needs to face prosecution for killing an unarmed man.

[Forever_frost]

very very few are what you just described...

Yet I can find report, video and news report over and over, daily, of exactly this. If it's very few, why do they not police themselves? Why are they not cut from the force immediately and blacklisted? Why are they not held to the same standards for breaking the laws that citizens are?

Why is it they can kill unarmed citizens, sometimes in their own homes, and walk away from it, never seeing prison? Why is it they can kill an animal in it's own yard and nothing is done? Why can they use a chainsaw to cut through a door to the wrong house and harass the owner when that owner has done nothing and nothing negative happens to the officer?

If it's very, very few, why is it so prevalent?

[ThreeFingerPete]

Dude, you're usually right, you're way wrong on this. I'd like to sit down and discuss it with you some day.

Let me put it in really simple terms. I don't think that police should kill unarmed people, who have are not actively in the middle of committing a violent felony. If a cop can't go "hands on" and attempt to control a single, solitary person, then that cop shouldn't be a cop.

lets go with less... and what was stopping this guy from entering the police station? are you going to let someone bang on your door early in the morning and not figure out whats going on? id assume and hope you'd go with your gun and if you are charged i would hope you defend yourself with what you feel is needed.

Umm.. a door that he was "banging on". Which was holding up well apparently since he didn't knock it down.

If you think I'm going to make the tactically stupid error of leaving a safe environment to wander out into the dark where there is one or more unknown people banging on the door, you're high.

[jewozzy]

Police do NOT protect or serve. They are under no obligation to do so either. “In the landmark decision of DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services,” Stevens writes, “The US Supreme Court declared that the constitution does not impose a duty on the state and local governments to protect citizens from critical harm.”

They are revenue generators, and something shiny to look at. With current laws, they have too much power, not enough regulation and are almost impossible to prosecute. And when you do try, they claim qualified immunity or get a few days off for gunning down innocents in their own home.

I'm very much against this. And anyone who do back cops because...they're cops, read up. They dont' have to protect you and many won't. They'd rather sit in their cars and play on their phones than answer a call from someone barricaded in a room with someone cutting through their door with an axe.

very very few are what you just described...

[Forever_frost]

I have no argument for or against the justification of the shooting. I also have no idea how the average potency of the average currently available LSD relates to the stuff that was out in the 60's.
I did however see a guy a few years ago, who had taken one hit of blotter, rip a ceiling fan (spinning on "high") completely out out of the ceiling "because it was bugging him, and he'd had enough of it's shit". An hour or so later, he was in the street, challenging passing cars to an arm wrestling contest. When this failed to produce the desired results, he began to accost cars parked at the curb. I didn't stick around much longer to see any other antics. He was about 5'10" and weighed maybe 160. I'm not aware of if, at any point, he became sans apparel.

On Percocet, in New Zealand, I became convinced I was the Hulk and "Hulk Smash!" I tried to flip over a loaded bus and developed a hernia

[Forever_frost]

FF, I gotta call you out a little on this one. Aren't you the same one that bitches that police do not "Protect and Serve?" Why change your stance?

Police do NOT protect or serve. They are under no obligation to do so either. “In the landmark decision of DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services,” Stevens writes, “The US Supreme Court declared that the constitution does not impose a duty on the state and local governments to protect citizens from critical harm.”

They are revenue generators, and something shiny to look at. With current laws, they have too much power, not enough regulation and are almost impossible to prosecute. And when you do try, they claim qualified immunity or get a few days off for gunning down innocents in their own home.

I'm very much against this. And anyone who do back cops because...they're cops, read up. They dont' have to protect you and many won't. They'd rather sit in their cars and play on their phones than answer a call from someone barricaded in a room with someone cutting through their door with an axe.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I have no argument for or against the justification of the shooting. I also have no idea how the average potency of the average currently available LSD relates to the stuff that was out in the 60's.
I did however see a guy a few years ago, who had taken one hit of blotter, rip a ceiling fan (spinning on "high") completely out out of the ceiling "because it was bugging him, and he'd had enough of it's shit". An hour or so later, he was in the street, challenging passing cars to an arm wrestling contest. When this failed to produce the desired results, he began to accost cars parked at the curb. I didn't stick around much longer to see any other antics. He was about 5'10" and weighed maybe 160. I'm not aware of if, at any point, he became sans apparel.

Did he crush any cars like an empty soda can? Since apparently LSD has been known to give people super-human strength.